Spoiler alert
In season 3 it will take three villains to replace the last season’s crazy maenad. “We have a triumvirate of evil this season,” reveals Alan Ball. “I’m talking about Franklin Mott, Russell Edgington, and Debbie Pelt. They are all bad to the bone. They’re not just crazy, they’re evil.”
Speaking of the yet-to-be-cast Debbie Pelt, Ball tells that the Alcide’s psycho ex will actually have a bigger role than first thought. “We actually beefed up Debbie,” he says. “She’s going to be in more episodes, so maybe that will have an impact on [what actress] we can get for her, which is a big question right now.”
On the red carpet of the Golden Globes Alexander Skarsgård revealed a bit about his storyline for the coming season. “I’d say it’s about revenge,” he said. “He will continue to explore the whole Sookie thing and what that’s all about. He’s trying to figure out what’s different about her. He’s intrigued by that. And in addition to that, there’s something that happened a thousand years ago that he’s still carrying in his heart. All I’ll say is he’s trying to avenge someone.”
Get Eliza Dushku as Debbie Pelt.
She’s out of a job now and can play a crazy druggie real.
Faith the bad slayer had the dark crazy persona but a good heart as well.
Perfect Debbie Pelt.
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Elizabeth Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:03
I completely agree! She would fit the character perfectly!
Who is Eric trying to avenge? Is it a person? Maybe the Rev Newlyn, because he was the catalyst for Godric dying?? Who knows!
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Selle Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19
Yes, could be Newlin.
Or, how about him blaming Nan Flanagan for being the catalyst to Godric’s death? She came looking for blood and removed Godric from his position. She was rude and belligerent. And right after she concluded her little meeting with them, Godric went straight to the roof and killed himself.
Or, maybe the person he’s seeking revenge upon will be portrayed by the person ASkars said he hoped they’d cast because he’d love to act with that person. If so, I wonder who that actor is.
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P Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 16:29
beside the above avenge story line, there’s also the Queen having Eric sells V. Eric is a busy man this season :-)
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So happy with these spoilers
Firstly AB has not named Eric in the evil three woohoo, could it be we get to see the real Eric this season? the one who is loyal, supportive etc…. Debbie is gonna be bad a**, she is so throwing Sookie in that trunk don’t you think.
Secondly, Eric’s storyline looks good, not only is he helping Sppokie and exploring those feelings (like the book) but this new spoiler about avenging something that happened a thousand years ago, something that happened to his human family? this must be where the Godric flashback comes in. Notice no mention of the dancer mmm.
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callonmebill Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:40
*Spoiler warning*
I too am waiting for that trunk scene, and I am a Bill fan.
To Elizabeth, Eliza Dushku looks like Debbie, but IMHO misses the mark because she’s so slight. That was my reason for quitting Dollhouse, I just couldn’t see this slip of a girl do all that stuff.
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Selle Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 13:17
Most folks disagree with me on this, but I do not think they’ll do that trunk scene in True Blood. First, it’s exactly what happened in the book, second, it’s hard to film inside a trunk with two people, and third, too many of the prerequisites for portraying it as it was in the book haven’t been fulfilled in TB. In a nutshell, the lore for it to happen hasn’t been portrayed in TB.
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 13:29
I agree.
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 16:00
Well alot of things that happened in the book happened in TB, Sookie meeting Bill, being attacked, the bullet sucking scene etc… they’ve taken alot from the books and AB did say so far S3 is closely following the book. I actually disagree on your third point, they’ve set up the Debbie jealousy, Bill has been kidnapped and will probably be tortured and they’re bringing in an evil Russell so I think they could still go with the trunk scene. We have to remember that something is going to come between Sookie and Bill this season, him shacking up with Lorena looks very unlikely and somehow I can’t see Bill getting it on with Sam just because he’s having a few dreams, so this seems the obvious choice.
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 16:53
I really don’t think AB will go there. Rape, in any form, whether intentional or no, is a really touchy subject, and showing it even more so. TB is wild and sexual, but in a good way. Even the orgies were so over the top as to not be disturbing until the last. Something may happen, but I don’t think it will be the ‘trunk scene’ as we know it. I think the thing that will come between Bill and Sookie is either Hadley, or her finding out earlier that Bill was ’sent’ to BT, either by the Queen or by the AVL (that’s my guess).
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 17:15
Well he did the attempted rape of Sookie in ep 8 in S2 which for me was worse because at least with the trunk scene Sookie could forgive Bill for his actions, they’ve had sex before, he’s a vampire who was tortured and almost drained, it was his survival instincts that kicked in. I’m pretty positive that AB is going to hang on the gem of Hadley/Bill’s mission for a later season. There is so much they could do with that.
lovelylavendar Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 22:49
I don’t know….
This is just my speculation but I think they are going to avoid that scene altogether..I’m only saying this from a very small vid we saw of Bill , topless, cut outside at night somewhere…..he may very well escape on his own…hard to say. But my other is .,…it wasn’t rape. plain and simple. rape is about power. that scene was not that. Bill had been starved and tortured for days…..kept awake and so forth …by the time sookie got to him he was barely alive. As soon as Bill caught on it was sookie, he stopped, redressed her and got some air in the trunk for them both. CH has denied it was rape. sookie denied it was rape. Alcide kept bugging her about it and she kept denying it. it really needs to be dropped. The scene was meant to show the vampire instinct, plain and simple. okay….anyway..sorry that was long.
It is a possibility that AB and writers have Bill escape on his own….would be a bummer, but could happen.
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Challie Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 19:13
“CH has denied it was rape.”
I’ve never seen CH post that the trunk incident was not rape. I have seen one of her moderators post a lengthy post where she divulged a personal conversation she had with Ms. Harris that was never denied. It’s on the ‘Sookie and the right guy’ thread from 12/9/08. The only post I’ve ever seen CH post about the trunk scene was the following one. It came after a poster claimed Ms. Harris denied the trunk scene was rape:
“duckpond100 2008-12-19 08:07
I don’t remember saying that episode wasn’t rape, and I would also be very interested in hearing what you’re basing that statement on, rclaurel.
Charlaine Harris”
RE: AB and TB-I don’t think he will include the scene. He has omitted many of Bill’s negative actions so far that it would come out of left field to include the rape scene.
Challie Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 19:27
I also want to say that while I think the trunk incident was rape, I don’t hold it against Bill. He had been starved and his vampire instincts took over.
billsluvr Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 1:51
I agree with you completely here. Bill was completely out of it. He had no idea what he was doing or who she was.
As far as the trunk scene being in TB. They may put it in, but I’m quite sure they will change it. I don’t think AB will go for rape. I read in an interview where Stephen Moyer said that he (Stephen) wanted to have Bill rape the woman in the blood sex scene in season 2. But Alan Ball was opposed to that, saying that rape is way too controversial of a subject to deal with. That wasn’t his exact statement but it was something along those lines.
Furthermore, TB Bill wouldn’t survive something like that. There is no way that TB Bill would be able to live with himself knowing that he had raped Sookie. He would, without a doubt, kill himself.
lovelavendar Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 17:11
I agree with you…..I think they skip it altogether.
The story is to far gone from the books now.
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 17:40
Lori, yes, he did the attempted rape in S2, but Gabe was not the leading man. To have the leading man (which BIll is and will remain, according to AB) do that to the leading lady….I just don’t think AB will go there. I guess we’ll all find out.
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 19:47
Ah you didn’t say that! now that arguement I can agree with, AB may be too chicken to take Bill to that level. I find it a shame because for me it’s not so much about the rape it’s more about showing that at the end of the day, Bill isn’t human, he’s vampire Bill, he has killer instincts and strong survival instincts. To show that there is a struggle within him, for who he wants to be for Sookie vs his natural being. That to me is much more interesting to protray.
wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 22:04
I don’t see it as chicken at all. I see it as telling the story HIS way. That incident isn’t all that necessary IMO. He can break Sookie and Bill up in another way….and there are plenty of ways to show Bill is a vampire struggling to be more human for the woman he loves than having him rape her.
billsluvr Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 2:25
Ab has already taken Bill to some very extreme levels. Who can forget the blood sex scene with Lorena. That was very intense and a clear reminder that Bill is a vampire. There are also several more scenes in season 1 and 2 where vampire Bill shows his fangs, so to speak. Even though Bill is capable of great evil. ON the other hand, AB has clearly shown that Bill would rather die than harm Sookie or allow any harm to come to her. Bill wouldn’t do anything to harm Sookie, but God help anyone that would.
We have already seen Bill’s fight against the darkness that is in him. That’s what has, already, made Bills story so interesting.
hdgcat Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 0:41
I think they can do the trunk scene as a simple vampire attack where he almost drains her and leave out the rape part. CH never really dealt with the rape thing very well IMO inthe books. While I’ve defended BookBill many times regarding this , I also think Sookie’ reaction later was a little too “get over it” ,especially since she jumped into bed with Amnesia ERic 2 weeks later.
But almost killing her is a big deal and displays vampire character without creating a distraction which rape would be. It takes away from the main point which is the fact that Bill almost kills the woman he loves becasue the animal that he really is takes over.
This is important ,more so for Bill’s character development than Sookie’s and would be a powerful scene. I’m hoping it stays in.
Also, I’ve always wnated to see Bill’s reaction once Sookie was unconscious and he’s thinking she’s going to die. That would be remarkable. In the books of course we don’t get to find out, but show can do this. One more thing to love about TB.
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Lori Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:27
I agree with this post so much!
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Selle Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 15:07
This is very close to my own theories. I believe Sookie will offer herself to Bill to feed, but because of his extreme hunger, he’ll accidentally drain her down too low and she’ll be either unconscious or on the verge of unconscious and that’ll be an episode cliffhanger.
I don’t see the rape scene for lots of reasons, but mostly because they’ve not correlated in the show that feeding induces sexual arousal in vampires. They’ve shown that sex is enhanced by feeding for vamps, but not the other way around.
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lovelylavendar Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 11:25
Very good point Selle, I could see that happening. It shows the vampire nature without going to far.
callonmebill Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 19:08
Everyones points on the ‘trunk scene’ are valid and well reasoned, and the big “IF” is if we get it in an episode, it can be written with or without the sexual component. I don’t really care how it is written I just want to see Stephen’s fine acting skills as some of you too have mentioned. Any way the ‘trunk scene’ would play out it would only highlight the curse of Bills existence and that is what I want to see.
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sandy Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 23:20
Maybe they’ll show her being put in the trunk, then both escaping out together (picture trunk cover flying off from Bill’s supervamp power lol) as Bill attacks out of desperation…just a thought.
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 13:12
The dancer is happening, and evidently so is man on man action with Eric and one of the weres. The spoiler was Ausiello’s, I think. I don’t think those are major plot points, but Eric isn’t going to sit around celibate mooning over Sookie.
And, let’s face it, even if nothing at all really happens between Eric and Sookie in S3, everyone mentions it so AS has to say something about it.
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Selle Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 13:19
I think the man on man action refers to a bloodbath rather than a sex scene. A vamp would never do the deed with a Were because Weres stink too much for one thing. The twitter from the Creepy Biker is a cheeky way of saying Eric’s gonna put his hands on him.
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 13:30
Guess we’ll have to wait and see. ;-)
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Donna Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 13:34
“Spoiler Alert”
Well if we don’t get the trunk scene, hopefully we will get Sookie getting staked scene at the Hair of the Dog. I really believe that it should happen because it is truly the first major blood bond between Sookie/Eric.
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 16:03
I would be shocked if that scene wasn’t in there, not jsut because of how big it is in the book, but if they did the bullet sucking scene then I believe they will do this. Plus it’s too tempting to resist, it’s the ultimate Eric/Sookie tease LOL
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 16:58
I don’t think Eric is going to be as involved in Sookie’s search for Bill as he is in the books. He’s going to have other fish to fry with the Queen’s V business and his ‘avenging’. I think this season will follow the trend of each one being a bit more removed from the books.
Lori Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 15:30
wkw well we know for sure that Eric brings in Alcide to help Sookie look for Bill and AB said so far their sticking close to the books. I think we will see Eric be involved with Sookie’s search for a number of reasons, one being I don’t think the Queen will be too happy with Eric once she finds out Bill is missing and one of AB’s fav part of S2 was the growing attraction between Sookie and Eric.
Challie Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 14:43
I agree, Selle. The getting “intimate” that Andy Mackenzie tweeted about plus his casting call plus the pics=Fight/bloodbath.
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 16:05
Definately! it’s a gonna be a bloodbath! I want to see a big Vamp/were fight!
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rc Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 15:49
Didn’t a big were vamp fight happen at the end of the book at Sookie’s house
Challie Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 8:05
We were right about it being a fight. From AM’s twitter: “Lunges in the gym, as I’m rehearsing #TrueBlood tomorrow lunging at “Eric” and ultimately cause true bloodshed..”
Lori Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 11:23
Woohoo we were right! can’t wait for that!
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lovelavendar Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 17:13
that makes sense to me…
but its fun to picture eric getting it on with a were….lol
but Eric hates Weres…..as do most vamps.
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rc Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 23:22
then why would he get a were to help Sookie.
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lovelylavendar Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 23:51
Eric sends in Alcide because Alcide owes him a favor…Alcide and his dad I think….but Eric made it clear in the books he dosen’t care for Weres…nor does Bill. Eric dosen’t care for Shifters nor Weres.
Selle Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 15:10
Because he’s owed by Alcide’s dad. In the books, when Eric is telling Sookie he’s going to send a Were to take her to Jackson and accompany her while she searches for Bill, he says basically this about Alcide, “….He’s a Were, so he is scum….”
Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 15:52
Oh I know the dancer is happening I was just implying that as he didn’t mention it, it probably isn’t a huge deal, not like his growing feelings for Sookie or this revenge story their talking about. Also, I don’t think Eric would get it on with a were, vamps have a distate for shifters and weres. I heard the man on man action is Laf/Jesus and an ‘erotic connection’ between Sam and Bill or BAM as I’m now calling them LOL
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 16:55
I am actually looking forward to Sam’s dreams!
I still think there could be something sexual between Eric and a ‘were’. The distaste is in the books….we haven’t seen any of that on the show yet. AB might go a different direction.
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 17:12
Mmm I think we have, they way Eric said ’shifter’ and looked away in disgust in ep11 gave me the impression Eric had a distaste for him and if he feels like that with shifters then it will be the same with were’s. Plus the idea that these supernatural species don’t like each other and could go to war with one another is very appealing to a writer I think. Creates alot of tension and drama, a basic prejudice if you like.
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callonmebill Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 19:38
When Sam visited Fangtasia with Arlene’s kids seeking Eric’s help (end of S2, Eric’s flying episode), Eric refereed to Sam as a ‘Shifter’ with disgust, but a hot good-looking were may tempt Eric.
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 19:42
Nah no way, I can’t see it, plus Sam is way hotter than that biker dude LOL that biker gang are bad news and Eric is going to be there to help save the day, I’m calling it now.
Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:52
I’m with you Lori, Eric will be there! I call second! :)
Lori Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 11:22
Woohoo we were right Donna! From AM’s twitter: “Lunges in the gym, as I’m rehearsing #TrueBlood tomorrow lunging at “Eric” and ultimately cause true bloodshed..” Can’t wait to see that fight!, I’m hoping we see Eric/Bill fight all the weres at the end of the season like the book!
rc Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 15:50
Didn’t Sam tell Sookie werewolves were vicious creatures in season 1 episode 10.
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Interesting. Lori, I am with you that it has something to do with his human life and bringing in the Godric/Eric flashbacks. Glad to hear that Debbie Pelt will have a huge role in the upcoming season. I wonder if my theory still holds up about Debbie being involved in the kidnapping of Bill. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Going crazy speculating!!!!!
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sandy Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 12:17
I’m wondering if Hadley took Bill as she overheard that Eric was going to “take care” of Bill ~”personally”. Maybe after hearing that Bill loves Sookie,(with admiration and surprise), Hadley took Bill to rotect him? Waaaaay out there, but fun to wonder. ;)
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I’m wondering who Eric wants to avenge … will we meet another vampire who is as old as Eric and did something bad to his human family? Surely we will see Godric somewhere in all of this. Flashbacks here we come! All these little tidbits leave me scratching my head. I can’t wait to see who is cast as Debbie.
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I have this weird feeling that Eric was in love back in his viking days (or maybe not in viking days), and he is avenging her for something that happened to her. I think maybe Sookie either reminds him of her or she just brings up feelings in him that he thought he lost! What do you all think?? OR maybe Sookie has a connection to someone eric knew back then???
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Donna Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:39
First Spoiler Alert!
If I remember correctly from the books, Eric married his brothers wife, after his brother death, because that is what they did back then. I know he had feelings for his wife but it was never stated that he loved her. Eric turned Pam because he was lonely and besides Pam, in the books, Sookie is the only one that has received Eric’s blood. Now for TB, they changed that and Eric gave Lafayette his blood to help Eric find out what/why she has interest in Lafayette, I assume that is the case in TB.
I think Eric has been around so many woman that to him they are all the same but as we well know that Sookie is different. You could be right, maybe there was someone after the wife and before Pam that he cared about, got killed, and reminds him of Sookie.
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rc Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 15:47
But the Blue Ray DVD says Eric joined a Rouge Band of Mauradaing Viking in his Teen yrs, and was with them until he was turned in 1077 at 31 yrs old..
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Selle Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 15:17
I have a theory that the revenge is connected to Godric. Something was done to Godric and although Eric wanted vengeance, Godric forbade it. But now that Godric is finally dead, Eric will seek to appease the burning need for revenge he’s carring all these long centuries.
Is it also possible that there was an event connected somehow, a setup of sorts, where Godric was forced to do something he couldn’t morally accept, and this event was something which haunted Godric for a millenia and now Godric had given in to pain and killed himself??
I somehow feel the revenge is connected to Godric, mostly because Godric was the only person Eric loved. Factor in that Eric is expedient and wouldn’t waste his time or resources on simple revenge unless he believed he were enacting justice itself, righting a wrong.
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sandy Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 23:08
Selle~ wow, yes, that sounds like a good possibility for a scenario also. I do remember AB saying Godrics character will most likely be back in flashbacks. How exciting!
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Oh GOD I can’t wait for Season 3!!! This really blows having to wait so long. I always feel that when it finally comes around, I just can’t get enough of each episode. waiting waiting waiting arrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Guys…its going to be totally different. I really think season 3 will follow some very loose Book3 incidents but thats it. AB has said many times that he is slowly veering more away from the books. We should be happy for some back stories on our vamps. That is a good thing. Don’t expect villian eric to all of a sudden turn a new leaf overnight…his character was made this way for a reason.
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Lori Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 19:39
I agree with you except for the villian Eric part, he’s not the villian, even in TB, he’s not evil. He has a very good reason behind everything that he does, even kidnaping Lafayette he did because a vampire went missing in his district and he was selling v which is against the law. No with this triumvirate of evil this season that AB is talking about I think Eric’s true character will come out. We saw glimpses of it in S2 with Godric and I think we’ll see more of it this season, plus Eric is perfectly placed within the vampire hierarchy to help deal vampire and were politics.
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wkw Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 22:12
AB has practically called him a villain. He sees him that way. Eric doesn’t have ‘good reasons’ he just has reasons that are good for him. That’s a villain. I think we’ve already seen Eric’s true character. He is willing to do absolutely anything to get what he wants. Put Sookie in danger by detaining Bill with Lorena, trick Sookie into taking his blood… Even with Godric, it wasn’t about Godric at all. It was all about Eric. Godric WANTED to end his life. Eric wanted him to stay, not because it would be better for Godric, but because it would be better for Eric. If he does a 180 in S3, it won’t be believable at all.
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lovelylavendar Reply:
January 21st, 2010 at 22:38
No Alan Ball has emphasized Eric is the perfect villian. yes, we may see a soft side to him but I doubt he keeps it that way. As far as the books go? in all honesty…Eric kinda bored me to tears….I prefer TB Eric much more. We can all speculate till the cows come home, and trust me i love speculating but AB will keep us on our toes. I agree with wkw…Eric will not change right away and so far he hasn’t..his relationship with Godric was strange to say the least….and his emotion with Godric was strange….but I’ll stop at that. It sounds to me like Eric is going to have a whole new storyline and I think that is fantastic….not chasing after Sookie…not saying more things won’t happen where he will place himself there for more blood sucking but it will go slowly…..into season 4.
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Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:07
I would have to disagree with you lovely. No harm intended. JMO! Eric’s character in the books are fun. Always having great lines and always saving Sookie. He is a villian, I agree, but he is falling in love with Sookie and doesn’t realize it. The storyline CH created between the two is fantastic. I love the way TB has changed many things as such the characters having more acting time. But the bottom line is the love triangle and somehow AB will pull it off. I hope!
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Lori Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:40
wkw I guess well just have to agree to disagree, IMO Eric is a vampire who knows what he wants and goes after it (what’s wrong with that?). Eric from the moment he saw Sookie was attracted to her and wanting her what motivates him to do what he does. From bringing in Lorena to tricking Sookie, he’s opportunistic, not evil. Can we say the same about Bill and his motivations knowing that AB is going to reveal the queen plot at some point? he also killed Uncle Bart, a human, is he any more justified in doing that than Eric killing a human who killed 3 vampires? and as far as godric goes he loved him, he wouldn’t have cried otherwise, wouldn’t you try and do anything to keep someone you loved alive? esp after 1000 yrs, and in the end Eric let him go and didn’t try and stop him, he left him to meet the sun. I’m not sure Eric can be called the villian when Eric has done no worse than Bill IMO. Wait until we see Russell, Debbie and Franklin, now they are villians and are evil, as AB says we haven’t seen anything yet.
lovelylavendar Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 11:01
perfectly fine to disagree…Eric has a very faithful fan base. But everyone is going to view him differently. I saw him differently in the books and in the show he is being written a certain way and a certain audience is going to have to accept it. Both vamps have their good and bad sides, they were both humans one time in their lives and are now vampires, not by their choosing. Eric has utter distaste for humans, Bill does not. Having them different is a good thing. I think its nice to have a healthy, civil debate….in the end we all love the show and support it….the books are a different forum I think. :D
Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 13:13
Yes, we all love the show and support it. Love all the great comments by everyone that visits here. It is great to have a civil debate… that makes it all the more fun! If it weren’t for all of us commenting, GOSH, it would be such a longggggggggggggg wait until Season 3. Hats off to all of us! :)
wkw Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 17:13
ALWAYS saving Sookie? Not quite. He didn’t save her in DAG…Bill did. Seems to me Bill saved her from the Rattays, too. And I believe it was Bill who saved her from Jade Flower, and Quinn who saved her from Andre, so….not always Eric.
Eric stopped being funny to me when he tricked her into sucking the bullet. No humor in that, not for me.
I saw Eric differently in the books, too, lovely. Never ‘got’ the Eric love. I actually like him better in the show, mostly because he has his own storyline separate from Sookie.
Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 20:38
wkw, sorry to say but Sookie actually saved Bill from the Rattrays, Bill was completely helpless. After she saved him, he took care of them later. Villian????? who knows. Can’t quite remember Jade Flower yet, will get back to that one. Quinn, Eric saved her from Andre, not Quinn, because if Sookie took Andre’s blood, who knows what would have happened,where was Quinn when that was going down. Yes, now I remember, he came in after that went down. But Eric, saved her yet again in this part of the story. The bullet sucking part is Eric trying to get some type of leverage on Sookie to protect her and it will come up in upcoming episodes. Question to you wkw, have you read the books. I know the books are going to be different from TB but bottom line the true love triangle will somehow be revealed.
Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 20:54
oops, sorry wkw, I just went back and seen that you read the books. Oops, it is all good. All JMO!
wkw Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 14:02
*The bullet sucking part is Eric trying to get some type of leverage on Sookie to protect her*
Bullsh*t! LOL. You can’t really believe that. LOL. The bullet-sucking is Eric trying to protect Sookie? LOL. The only reason that happened was to get his blood in her so he could get in her head and hopefully in her pants. Period. In the books, and in the show.
And yes, I’ve read the books….long before TB came around. I have never trusted Eric.
Miya Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 22:29
I agree with you on this one. Anyways did not Alex win the award for best “Villain”. Eric is the antihero to Bills hero.
Just IMO
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sandy Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 23:14
We all know the books, and how the story goes with them, But there are sooo many possibilities of spinoffs from the stories for a great storyline on the show!
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Elizabeth Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 23:15
So far I have read that rape is rape. Kidnapping is kidnapping. Murder is murder. Eric kidnapped Laf and Eric murdered Royce. Those actions are villainous and evil.
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Lori Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 6:48
Then by your reasoning Bill is also villianous and evil, he murdered Uncle Bart and murdered Jessica(rather than be punished I might add).
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Elizabeth Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:16
I was responding to a post that said it was ok for Eric to kidnap Laf and there has been postings saying that killing was ok of Royce because he help kill the Monroe Vamps. Also, a lot of talk saying that Bill raped Sookie and posts saying that Bill killed those 3 people. I just want to even out the playing field and say that Eric also did wrong. They may not have done wrong in Vampire terms but def. in human terms. Eric lovers just don’t seem to want to give Bill a break. That is all.
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Lori Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 19:23
Ah I see, the point I was making was that Bill and Eric are both vampires and have both done questionable things IMO. One is not better than the other, they’ve both murdered humans, they’re both morally grey on some levels for the same reasons and others for different reasons.
willkill4Bill Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 17:11
I beg to differ. Bill was forced to turn Jessica as his punishment not to avoid punishment. He was not given any options. The normal sentence is to be placed in coffin bound by silver chains for 5 yrs by which time as the Magister said “your bones would sticks and skin turned to leather but you’d likely be insane by then.” Bill said he would take that sentence rather turn the girl but the Magister said he owed them a life for a life and he would become a maker. The sentence was ordered and forced Bill to carry it out. He refused to let Bill glamour Jessica in order to take away her terror. Let’s be accurate and fair.
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Lori Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 19:20
Mmm true but he could have staked himself rather than kill an innocent girl, so it’s still murder, and so is the murder of Uncle Bart.
wkw Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 15:11
Staked himself? Really? You think the magistrate would have let him? Where would he get the stake? The whole point was that Bill had to create a vampire to take the place of Longshadow, Allowing Bill to stake himself would defeat that purpose, no? I think you need accept that creating Jessica was not something Bill chose to do and therefore cannot be held against him as ‘evil’.
And I must note: No one ordered Eric to do any of the ‘evil’ things he’s done (kidnap Laffy, rip Royce limb from limb, send for Lorena, trick Sookie into sucking the bullet). The Queen may have ordered him to sell V, so he gets a pass on that.
Lori Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 15:39
Granted it would have been hard but at the end of the day he took Jessica’s life and Uncle Bart’s, no one ordered Bill to kill him did they?
and when we talk about evil I don’t think we can include sending for Lorena and tricking Sookie lol it may be underhanded, cunning, manuipulative lol but it’s not evil.
For me I don’t see either character as being really evil, they’re not cruel sadistic creatures (that I believe Russell, Franklin and Debbie will turn out to be), I see Eric and Bill as vampires who are ruled by their basic killer instincts and own vampiric laws. Is is clear that Eric is much more comfortable with being a vampire than Bill is but he has been at it a tad longer lol
wkw Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 16:01
You have your evil, I have mine.
Also meant to say that killing Uncle Bartlett, while it was murder, was not evil. Bill didn’t do it for himself, he did it to avenge Sookie. For me, true evil almost always has a selfish motivation. Maybe that’s why I see so much of what Eric does as evil. He’s selfish. He’s ultimately all about what’s in it for him. Bill isn’t. (anticipating your response, yes, he’s selfish at times as we all are, but no more than is normal, while I challenge you to name one thing Eric has done on the show that wasn’t somehow self-serving)
Selle Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 12:18
I always thought he did it because he didn’t think there was any way to get out of it. He tried to bargain with the Magister, but the Magister showed disinterest in bargaining. And even if Bill didn’t do it, by that point, someone else would drain her. If I recall correctly, the Magister said to Jessica, “There’s no help for you now, Child”.
sandy Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 23:39
Phew… I’m exhausted reading all this stuff. I love it!
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Lori Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 11:35
So when Bill kills someone for someone he loves it’s ok.
But when Eric tries everything he can to save the person he loves (Godric) it’s him just being selfish, therefore evil? LOL
Also, if Bill killed for Sookie’s sake then why was she so unhappy with him? because she knew it was wrong, taking vengence IMO is done to make yourself feel better not the victim.
Well Alex said Eric is seeking revenge for something that happened 1000 years ago so it maybe something that happened in his human life or something shortly after he was turned. Eric can’t be the only vampire that old, Godric was twice that age. This is taking a big detour from the books and that is good . I’d much rather see a background story on Eric than him sitting and looking bored in Fangtasia. Even Pam is getting tired of that. Btw give Pam something to do.
Selma Blair would be perfect as that crazy demented Debbie Pelt. Are you listing AB?
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Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 10:00
I agree with you willkill4bill, I would love to see more of Eric’s background and, by golly, give Pam some action in Season 3. Her character in the books are fantastic and I hope it comes into play in True Blood.
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Selle Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 15:37
I agree but I hope they give her more qualities in S3 than they’ve given her in the first two seasons. So far, I see Pam as mostly cynical and bored, her comment about watching Sookie and Bill kiss being the exception. She wants a new pet in Lafayette, she snickers because Eric hasn’t tried to keep Bill out of going to a tribunal, she thinks little kids stink, her pink pumps are ruined, etc. There’s nothing relatable about her for me.
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sandy Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 12:32
I think the show’s characters will all develope as Alan Ball explained. He explained that each character must be introduced slowly ~careful not to “unload the whole wad” all at once. So I’m sure Pam will get her boosted up storyline at some point. ;)
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I find the arguments about Eric’s evilness because he does whatever it takes to get what he wants, and Bill’s nobility in his desire to be human. Personally, I don’t think Bill is that different from Eric. Sookie’s life has been put into danger numerous times since meeting Bill, but despite all this, despite Bill’s age and wisdom, he continues to be with her. His selfish desire lies in his need for her to make him feel human. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her, of course he does, but he choses to ignore all the things Sookie mentioned to him when he asked her to marry him. Bill is in serious denial about what he is, and needs Sookie to make him feel human. That is a selfish need. This is why I want the show to explore vampire/human relationships further because Bill’s intentions, while good, are still selfish.
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Sara Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 15:41
I meant to say interesting at the end of the first line.
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Lori Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 18:37
Exactly! plus we have to remember Eric is much older than Bill, he’s seen what humans do to each other and has seen it all before so humans bore him. Sookie is the first human in many years to capture his interest and once you’ve lived 1000yrs I think you’d stop at nothing to explore something you’ve never seen/felt before.
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Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 20:56
Lori, :)
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Donna Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 22:28
I agree, Bill has shown so much evil more than Eric in TB, I think Lori said that earlier, Bill has killed more humans and vamps than Eric has so far on TB. Why is Eric such the villian? As Lori has stated, he only took care of one of the humans that killed 3 vamps while helpless asleep. Bill has killed numerous people. again, JMO, we just have to wait and see what season 3 brings us. Bring it on AB!
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Elizabeth Reply:
January 22nd, 2010 at 23:18
I suppose we have to remember that Bill and Eric are Vampires and not humans. They have all had a “lifetime” of killing. It is there nature. That is what makes Bill more interesting – he is trying to change, for love.
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Sara Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 1:57
But can he change for love? The interesting thing about Bill is how he hasn’t changed in many ways. He killed Sookie’s uncle and changed Jessica (though he had his reasons) and his first instinct was to hide it from Sookie. He wants not to be a vampire, but instead of facing that truth head on with Sookie, he hides it because it’s his need, not Sookie’s, for him to be human. Is he changing for love, or does he seek love to run from his true nature?
That is why despite some assertion and comments by AB himself, vampires cannot be judged by the same standards of good and evil. I don’t think Eric’s evil, he’s just embraced his true nature more than Bill.
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wkw Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 14:08
Bill has been more evil than Eric on TB? We are SO not watching the same show. LOL.
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Selle Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 15:29
I think we will find out that Sookie’s love ignites a true love fire within a vampire. I believe this is what happened to Bill and it will also happen to Eric.
As to comparing Bill’s vampiric nature to Eric’s vampiric nature, I think they’re definitely in the same ball park. They both kill if they feel it’s the right thing to do. Bill killed Uncle Bartlett because he felt a death penalty was in order. Eric killed Royce because he felt a death penalty was in order.
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callonmebill Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 19:58
Selle, I like your love theory and comparisons the only thing I would add for TB is that Eric is Sheriff and a non-mainstreaming Vampire with no real care for humans other than the $. Eric would have let Longshadow kill Sookie, the love hadn’t kicked in jet. Bill is consciously trying not to kill by mainstream but gets put into dangerous situations where his vampire instinct take over such as the Rattrays, Uncle Bartlett and Longshadow.
Eric is a Sheriff but is still living in every century he’s existed employing gruesome Medieval to Modern techniques to carry out his job, as Godric said “We haven’t evolved no wonder they are afraid of us” (paraphrasing), but Sookies and Godric’s love may change him as Sookies has Bill’s. But do remember Bill rejected the wanton killing nature of vampire society, Malcolm’s unholy Trinity and Lorena’s evil lifestyle.
I don’t think it’s important if Bill or Eric is more evil, they will be evolving, just who gets the girl in the end, and we have a long wait for that and forgive me Bill but somehow I’ve always felt it will be Sam. *cry*
wkw Reply:
January 23rd, 2010 at 20:26
*I think we will find out that Sookie’s love ignites a true love fire within a vampire. I believe this is what happened to Bill and it will also happen to Eric.*
But Sookie doesn’t love Eric. In fact, she despises him and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Now, if you mean Sookie’s ‘blood’ does that to vampires, as the Queen basically told Eric, then we can talk.
sandy Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 12:34
Sara~I totally agree with you. I have felt that way all along.
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I agree Selma Blair will be good as Debbie Pelt
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Selle Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 15:16
Selma would be good as Debbie, agreed.
I also really like Debi Mazar for the Debbie Pelt role.
In response to callonmebill’s reply to my above comment: I think your points are excellent.
I do believe, however, that Bill was not in a dangerous situation with Uncle Bartlett, nor was he with the Rattray’s. With both parties, he acted as judge, jury and executioner.
With the Rattray’s, he could have stopped them from what they were doing, restrained them easily, and then phoned Eric, the Area sheriff for a pickup. Instead, when Mac was laying immobile under the tree, Bill walked over and snapped his neck to ensure the job was complete. With Uncle Bartlett, there wasn’t any part of Bill who felt bad about taking a human life, “Oh I’m not here for money, I’m here for Sookie”. I support what he did, don’t get me wrong, but killing someone didn’t seem to bother him at all in this instance.
Bill is “trying to mainstream”, as he himself put it, but clearly he’s new to it, as evidenced by how tempted he was by bared necks in early Season 1 (Jerry, Sookie’s neck when the cop asked to see it, Denise Rattray’s neck in Merlotte’s).
Something else which may bear noting about blood drinking is this: In the Sookie books’ lore, vampires do not have to drink human blood or even TruBlood to survive, they can drink animals’ blood. Remember that Bubba the vampire drank cat blood. So if Bill was so horrified by drinking humans’ blood, why wasn’t he drinking animal blood instead?
I humbly submit, that Bill is a changed man since knowing Sookie, being close to her, drinking her blood, being cared for by her. He is finding his way to a softer core again. Eric will, too.
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Donna Reply:
January 31st, 2010 at 15:51
well said Selle!!!!!!
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I hope not. That will ruin Eric.
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Selle Reply:
January 24th, 2010 at 18:01
Oh, I don’t think Eric will become a creampuff, not by a long shot, nor will Bill stop being a vampire and become like Eddie Gauthier–a soft sweet cutie pie awash in gentleness and needs.
Like Bill, Eric will find more of his humanity and his ability to love again. That’s my prediction. Eric will still be a warrior, no doubt. He will still act as a walking talking judge, jury and executioner, all rolled into one.
I think Bill will remain thus, as well. I can’t see Bill suddenly becoming a “let’s call the cops” kind of guy. He’s still going to lean way into the vampire way of enacting justice.
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Lori Reply:
January 25th, 2010 at 11:39
Agreed. Which is his journey in the books. As they progress we see more and more of Eric’s humanity.
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