As I mentioned last week I have decided to change up Random Thoughts by not giving a step by step through the episode, but instead talk about story-lines. We’ve all seen the episode, so no need for a blow by blow recap. The Vault’s Random Thoughts is now more of a review of the episode as a whole with a sprinkling of personal insights.
This week’s episode was so much more entertaining that the previous one. I loved the dialogue and there will be some wonderful quotes to add to my list of favorite quotes this week. Finally, things are starting to cook and I’m loving it. I am less concerned about the amount of characters now because they seem to be herding together into a few separate story lines that are beginning to make sense and work better together.
Ding, Dong The Mickens dead!
R.I. P. to Melina and Joe Lee, and thank God they are gone; it wasn’t soon enough to me. And, as one of our message board members said, “Thank God we won’t have to look at Joe Lee’s filthy underpants anymore”, she is so right on!
We see Tommy end the life of both of his parents who were attempting to keep him prisoner so they could make a living by having him fight in the dog ring. I have to say that I don’t blame Tommy for killing them because those two have to be the worst parents on the planet. No wonder Tommy is so messed up. Maybe now that he is free of them, he will be redeemed, but somehow I don’t think so.
Tommy doesn’t deal well with the death of his parents, especially of his mother. He, of course, runs to Sam for help and Sam being the good guy he is, helps him. Again, if Tommy is redeemed, maybe he and Sam will bond, but I just don’t trust Tommy and wonder why Sam is. Tommy’s fear is based in whatever religious training he must have had in his life because, as he and Sam throw the bodies into the swamp, he recites two of the ten commandments, well sort of, in a hillbilly, poor white trash kind of way, when he says,”Its in the ten commandments, don’t kill shit and don’t fuck with you parents, I did both.”
The most hilarious scene in this episode was when Tommy changed into an alligator as Andy Bellefleur opened the back of the van. That was so funny. However, I’m a bit confused. I thought that shapeshifters had to see the creature or, at least an image of the creature before they could turn. I especially remember when Sam turned into a fly that they showed us a fly in the jail giving Sam something to change into and therefore escape. Could this be a foreshadowing of what Luna talked about in a previous episode, that some shapeshifters can turn into anything? However, when Sam and Tommy turned into birds in a previous episode this season, I don’t remember seeing any birds around them before they shifted. I am very confused by this and wish they’d explain it more.
If all you have to do to get rid of a body is throw it into a Louisiana swamp with some marshmallows, I wonder why the mafia isn’t headquartered there. I doubt that Melinda and Joe Lee will have too many people looking for them, but I worry for Sam and Tommy because parts of Uncle Bartlett showed up after Bill ended him and threw him in the water, so all of this might not be over for the brothers.
I don’t think Sam should have revealed to Tommy that he had killed two people before. I know he told Tommy in order to make him feel better, but I fear it will come back later on to “bite him.”
Maxine seems to be all worried about her “Hoyt replacement son” and I wonder where that relationship is going to go? Will Maxine accept him back? If Tommy goes back to her will he try to steal the income earned from the natural gas that is under her house?
Vampires and their struggle with the new foe, the witches
Vampire talk.
Bill/Bellefleur hook up – I loved that Portia had all those facts at her fingertips as to whether it was legal, or morally OK, for her to have sex with Bill. It really did seem to me that it would be fine for her to have relations with him, but somehow Bill feels different. Perhaps it’s the southern gentleman in him that makes him feel very uncomfortable with it. Honestly, I just think the writers didn’t want to go there for some reason. Will Portia be back or is she now totally gone from the story as she is now so afraid of Bill after being glamoured.
Bill had some great lines in this episode, like what he said when Pam walked in, “Oh, good, the world needs more beekeepers” and when Pam asked if he was insane for going to Marnie, I loved his reply “Insanity comes with the job.”
I am enjoying Bill as King and he seems to be adjusting to the job quite well. He is trying to be fair, but I know it’s difficult when the AVL is so dictatorial. I worry that this will not serve well for the vampire race in future since it tends to corrupt.
It was also great seeing the new sheriff’s; having more vampires on the show makes it even more interesting and I can’t wait to learn about them.
For Pam to reveal what happened to Eric was obviously a slip on her part. She is so completely beside herself from her disfigurement that it just slipped out, so I hope Eric realizes that when he finds out, and he will. We all know that she would never have betrayed Eric for any other reason.
When Bill hears this news, it’s pretty obvious that he was not only surprised, but hurt that Sookie had indeed lied to him. But he has a bigger mission to worry about at the moment and rushes off to Sookie’s house.
Learning more about the vampire past is always fascinating, but it seems really important that the vampires know something about their past. In this episode we learned that they hid themselves inside the priesthood during the Inquisition. There were some real political statements made here, especially when Bill said, “Vampires have often found it advantageous to maintain a hidden presence in humanities most powerful institutions. In the 1600’s that was the Catholic Church and today, as you all know it’s Googling and Fox News.” Wow, that is a powerful statement of our times, in my opinion!
One of the vampire sheriff’s Luis (who was also in the flashback with Marnie) tells about what happened in the inquisition and in the flashback we see that the priests used women taken prisoner as witches to feed on. No wonder Antonia wanted to see their end. Luis tells us that she performed necromancy on all the vampires in the area making them walk into the sun, finding the true death.
An interesting tidbit that I’d like to mention. On Bill’s desk, his computer monitor has the words printed on it, “Computer Alienware”, which presumably is the company that made the hardware. I thought that was funny and proves that the set design people not only think of every detail, but have a great sense of humor.
Witch talk
It’s more than apparent that Marnie is just an instrument of Antonia and is really a meek mannered woman who is “just trying to practice her religion.”
Bill has her captured and brought to his compound to find out what powers she has. He first questions her remotely, from his office, because she might be able to do to him what she did to Pam. However, when that doesn’t work, he decides to go to her cell to glamour her. When he does so, it becomes obvious that Marnie isn’t the witch they have to worry about, but merely a vessel serving as a conduit for Antonia.
Jesus, Lafayette and Tara are in fear for their lives since Marnie/Antonia has now cast spells on Eric and Pam and will not reverse them. Tara says she has had enough and is going back to New Orleans. Jesus and Lafayette decide to go to Mexico to see Jesus’ grandfather who is a Bruja and very powerful. Lafayette is reluctant at first until Jesus tells him of the time when he felt immense power after having killed a goat as a child. The premise for going seems sort of a feeble reason to me. What are they trying to accomplish? Does Jesus think his grandfather will be able to overtake Marnie/Antonia or, does Jesus just want protection?
Sookie is also interested in finding out what the witches are up to when she asks Holly about it at Merlotte’s. Holly seems to be “done” with the whole wiccan thing and acts suspicious that Sookie is asking since she “hangs with so many vampires.” And Sookie even goes to visit with Marnie, but soon leaves after she hears Gran say that Marnie is evil.
Eric and Sookie
The relationship between Eric and Sookie as written in the books isn’t the same here, but it is still very powerful. I do like Eric as a nice guy, but I wish they had made him less of a baby.
I enjoyed seeing Godric again, but it was definitely Eric’s “dream version” of Godric. I knew right away that it must have been a dream because we all know that Godric isn’t evil. When Eric woke from the dream and went into Sookie’s room, I don’t understand Sookie’s reaction. How can Sookie allow Eric to stay in her bed after finding him standing over her with his fangs out? However my biggest complaint about this scene is that it’s night, so why has Eric been sleeping? I thought he would be wide awake, as all vampires are during the night?
The love scene at the end of the episode was well done, but it was far too reminiscent of Bill and Sookie’s love scene in season 1 for me. For example, Sookie has on a dress similar to the one she wore in the graveyard scene, she and Eric kiss outside in front of the house, and it’s Sookie who instigates the union. Also, just like for Bill and Sookie in Season 1, episodes 6 and 7, their love scene is split in two. I fully expect that next week’s episode will start off with Eric and Sookie making love. I know the split was done to entice us all to watch the next episode, but it seems just to similar to me. Why not make their scenes very new and completely different?
Eric and Sookie seem to be falling in love and I understand Eric’s desires fully, but Sookie seems to be running head first into a collision. She had warnings from both Tara and from Gran’s spirit to stay away from him, and she has chosen to ignore both of them, even though she declared to Marnie that when her Gran tells her to run, she runs. Tara laid it all out for her when she said, “this is the fucker who sold you out to Russell Edgington, he tricked you into drinking his blood, locked Lafayette in a dungeon and tortured him, you hate him.” And, without diminishing Eric’s power to fascinate or attract, I don’t see the reasons here for Sookie to do such a complete about face from when she said she “preferred cancer.” to Eric. Eric’s new personality is attractive, but, in my opinoin, the writers haven’t given us enough to justify Sookie’s attraction.
I am guessing that Eric will get his memory back before too long and I wonder if that will change their relationship? However for now, it’s time for all the Eric fans to enjoy the scenes between them.
Jessica, Hoyt and Jason
Jason is back home, THANK GOD! The Hot Shot gang would continue to stay out of the story, if I had my preference. I didn’t feel anything for the Jason/Crystal affair and obviously she is a nut job, so I’m glad he’s away from her and no longer tied to that dirty old bed.
Hoyt and Jessica take Jason to his home and tuck him into bed and Hoyt exclaims to Jessica, “You just saved my best friends life“. Jessica replies with another great line, “It’s all in the wrist,” which of course refers to her having bit her wrist and given Jason her blood to drink. She and Hoyt then hug, but when Hoyt tries to kiss her, she recoils. I am not sure why she behaves the way she does, but perhaps its the guilt she feels from the glamouring she did to Hoyt in the last episode. Hoyt notices and is concerned, but she says she is just tired.
Jason’s dream of having sex with Jessica and then Hoyt was a scream. I love when Jason asked Jessica,” Is this a dream?” and when she said, “yes,” he thought for a second and then, said glibly, “OK“. And, to add Hoyt prescence in the dream for the purpose of bringing out Jason’s guilt was hysterical and a stroke of genius. I loved it.
I do worry about Jessica and Hoyt’s relationship though. Poor Hoyt, he’s such a good man, but as Alan Ball tells us all the time, blissful relationships don’t make good drama, so I fear that the two will have to part. Jason will probably now be interested in Jessica since he has had her blood, but we can’t yet be sure if Jessica will feel the same. She might want to sow some wild oats instead of getting herself tied to another guy so quickly. We’ll just have to wait and see.
Arlene, Terry and the baby
Arlene and Terry are really still concerned about the writing on the wall and Terry says it’s time to ask for help. A good line here was when Arlene talks about praying to God for help and says “I’ve been praying to him every night, but apparently my prayers are going to his voicemail.”
The scenes with Arlene and Terry, Lettie Mae and the Reverend were a lot of fun to watch. I don’t for a minute think that what Lettie Mae and the Reverend Daniels did around their house will make a bit of difference, but Terry and Arlene seem to think so, because things are already better. The baby is sleeping quietly, Terry and Arlene have great sex, and all is well with the world, or not. Just as this happy scene closes and Terry and Arlene embrace in bed, the camera pans to a book of matches that suddenly ignites. Oh no, could their house catch on fire? Is Rene up to some evil agains?
I wonder how this fire and the evil baby story line are related to this season’s witch theme? Somehow, it must be related, in order for any of it to make any sense.
I think shape shifters just have to have seen the creature they shift into at some point. If they could only shift into what they saw last it would be too inhibiting.
I also think that when Sam saw the fly in his cell it simply gave him the idea of turning into something small enough to fly out of there.
As for Eric and Sookie, I think you are underestimating the pull of the blood and the fact that Sookie has been without a man for over a year. Now suddenly there is this demi god in her house, who keeps telling her that she’s beautiful and makes no secret of the fact that he wants to be with her – and he NEEDS her. Who could resist?
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 2:51
Sookie hasn’t been without a man for over a year. For her it was less then a week ago she kicked both Bill and Eric out of her house after the cement incident. Time stood still in Faery land, remember.
She is still heart broken over Bill and probably more shaken up by everything that has happened to her than she realizes. But she is too much of a mother figure to Eric to be feeling lusty, it doesn’t feel right to me this way.
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Mischa Denmark Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:17
Oh, of course…. I got my time lines mixed up, sorry about that.
Remember though, after she swallowed some of Eric’s blood, how she couldn’t help but look at him in a very interested way….
I found Eric less child-like in ep. 5 and his new self is so utterly disarming – I can SO understand her falling for him. (and I’m a devoted Bill fan. He’s still the most seductive thing on TV….. gasp)
Thanks by the way for a great site. It makes waiting less sucky! : )
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ssora Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 2:53
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No, it was no more than a week. Time in the land of faerie is different.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 4:09
I thought Sookie thought she was gone for hours just like Gramp Earl did.
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Rowena Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 6:03
I’m in agreement about the shifting. I think the shifter has to have seen the animal, bird, creature some time, some where in order to shift into it. Also agree about the fly … seeing it in prison gave Sam the idea how to escape. And a good thing, too, since Maryann had keys was on her way to his cell.
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Oh, and Lala and Jesus….. They have EVERY reason for going to Mexico. It seems like quite a good idea to remove themselves from Bon Temps pronto, plus Jesus knows his bad ass Grandfather can teach them how to defend themselves when they go back. I don’t get that you don’t get that?
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Great post and caps Lynn
Bear with me as usual it’s a long one:
Good riddance to bad rubbish . Tommy did us a real solid as well for himself and Sam by killing the Mickens. We saw some sibling bonding with body disposal. Gators will eat most anything as proven by feasting on the maleficent Mickens with marshmallows for desert. Sam why you would divulge a dark secret to Tommy ? Big mistake big brother. Shifting into a gator, who knew Tommy could think so quick? I think Andy may have had to go home for a change of clothes.
Guilt is chipping away at Jessica and sadly driving a wedge between our lovebirds.
How freaky was Jason’s dream? At least Jason confirmed it was a dream before proceeding .
Hoyt’s appearance was so unexpected . I think Jason is experiencing his own version of PTSD. I so hope he doesn’t shift on the full moon. No ties to Hotshot please. More Andy and Jason .
Something strange in the neighborhood, who ya call? Lettie Mae and the Preacher! They ain’t afraid of no ghost. Busting makes em feel good. Ghostbusters they ain’t though they gave it a good try. How cute was Mikey in his little outfit , hat and all? Things are about to literally heat up for the Bellefleurs.
Marnie may have started out as a harmless practitioner of Wicca mixing potions and giving spirit readings but she has invited in a powerful sorceress she has no control over or true understanding of what she has unleashed. She is no longer a completely innocent bystander just an inept one as the trio of trepidation points out often. Though I do not believe Marnie is malicious. She will be lucky to survive.
Love the flashbacks of Antonia.
Sometimes I wonder why Jesus is so bent on leading a reluctant Lafayette towards the mystic and paranormal. He better not have an agenda and end up breaking Lafayette’s heart. I think about Ruby Jean’s warnings to Lafayette . I don’t think they are just ramblings of an unstable woman. Little things like that always roll back around eventually.
Sookie had best not expect a call from Mensa any time soon. She is a frequent rider of the short bus to the point it is difficult to watch at times. Unbelievable. Unsolicited I assume she played Nancy Drew and headed straight towards Marnie and danger. The only good that came of that was that we finally heard from Gran (thanks AB). Apparently we appreciated it more than Sookie did . Sook’s ability to dismiss what she doesn’t want to acknowledge and her inability to recognize her own hypocrisy is wearing thin.
Thank you Tara for spelling it out to her even if you did not hit on all points that needed covering. I think being Sookie’s friend has some major drawbacks. Priorities and loyalty aren’t her strong suits.
Peter Pan or is it Pinocchio because he is a real (boy) as he relayed to her last episode. I hope she will pick up a little viking ship for bath time. Why is he sleeping at night ? Godric is Eric’s conscience and he gives voice to Eric’s true self. We know where they are headed with this but how they are going to get there from Sookies’ Childcare Center I just can’t, it is too much of a leap for me .
Alcide should know he could not reside unnoticed in territory marked by others . Deb’s days of playing a wolf in sheep’s clothing are about to end.
Pam is becoming undone in more ways than one. Did I see a tad bit of humility? That little slip of what is left of her lip betrayed her maker. I think when he sees her he may forgive her. I hope she takes note that her king set aside her treason and disrespect and is trying to help her. Hopefully she will gain a new perspective and stop blindly following her makers lead. Nah once her face is restored her attitude will return.
After dispatching Portia in no uncertain terms I think it is safe to say they will have little contact after this.
Funny seeing Bill chased around his desk.
Bill is forging ahead while trying to work within with the constraints placed on him and all vamps by The Authority. He broached the problem with finesse and intelligence. Someone should be taking notes.
He is not only King of La. but king of glamouring as well. He was very brave placing himself in danger for the greater good but it isn’t the first time he has done so.
The gathering of his sheriffs was interesting and connected the dots of Antonia’s hatred of vampires.
Still remains to be seen if Eric played a part in her demise. I am sure Bill will come up with a plan.
He looked so beautiful and sexy in his suit and in command. I do miss the jeans and leather .
So many funny lines this episode .
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 2:57
So true what you say about Sookie, that girl must be the only character on the show who is not growing or learning from her experiences. She makes the same mistakes over and over again and honestly it’s starting to irritate me.
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AlwaysBill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 4:18
Same here. Before I saw the episode I wanted her to grow up and reconcile with Bill, but at the moment I’m not so sure … I don’t like her being stuck where she is now. It’s starting to irritate me, too.
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JLS Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 8:31
I agree Sookie is doing the same thing she did in the books. That’s why I stopped reading after a while. But, in her defense, yes she still likes Bill, but probably figures he has moved on after walking in on him and his employee. He also knew she was coming up there. Sookie needs to listen to Gran’s advice and Taras. I think she just wants to feel loved. She’s gone through a lot.
PS– I just have to say, I was cheering on Tommy to kill those crazy parents. Does that make me bad? Oh well.
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ssora Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 2:57
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Sheriff who was part of the Inquisition had already described the ultimatum Antonia revenge – she sent in to the sun vampires in the area of 20 miles. And Marnie already learned this spell, judging by what she saw in flashback. So of course they need Bill and one of his effective plans.
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From Gran’s warning, I got that Eric’s amnesia is temporary, but not their feelings for each other. Antonia is also working through Marnie, so that message could have been mixed. Sookie’s been attracted to Eric for a long time. She just wished that she wasn’t. I’m sure that Tara is no fan of Bill either. He tricked Sookie into drinking his blood on the night they met, shunned Tara at Russell’s, cheated on Sookie, was sent to procure Sookie for Queen Sophie and lied the whole time. Oh, and he almost killed Sookie. Tara hates vampires, not just Eric. Now that Eric is the version of himself that Sookie has seen glimpses of and wanted, she is going for it! Even if this perfect moment is temporary, good for her. Tara might become a vampire slayer, a cage fighting Buffy.
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 3:25
you say “Sookie’s been attracted to Eric for a long time.”
when did that happen? She hated him and only very recently did she see glimpses of a different side of him.
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KC Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 11:06
I think Sookie *hated* Eric the same way Elizabeth Bennett hated Darcy and see how that ended up? LOL, it happens.
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Ingrid Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 11:13
That’s how I see it too.
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:09
This! as first Sookie only saw what was on the surface with Eric, as time went on she realised there was alot more to him, ‘your deep, there’s love in you’. Pride and Prejudice is CH’s favourite novel, to me there is no coincidence in the parallels between Eric/Sookie/Bill and Darcy/Elizabeth/Wickham.
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KC Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:21
I think so :-D And maybe Psyche and Cupid too?
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:16
I think Sookie was physically attracted to Eric the night she met him and that attraction grew in S2 when she saw how he was with Godric, last season she admitted it to Bill when he said that she cares for him, she said ‘you didn’t see him with Godric’. Sookie also kissed him last season, I think it’s as clear as day she’s attracted to him. Like she said herself, most of the time she wants to smack the smug smile off his face but she does care for him and is now falling in love with him. If she hated him then why did she save him from the sun?, why did she give him her blood even after he and RE drank from her?. She did it because she cares for him, she knows in her heart that ‘there is love in him, he’s deep’
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HAA Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 14:26
Yes. I also thought that she was attracted to him when she met him. Since it would have been impolite and confusing to be attracted to someone like Eric, especially while on a “not date-just research” with Bill, she wouldn’t even admit that to herself. But she was looking, and she was intrigued.
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nikka Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 17:16
How could Sookie hate Eric and save him when he was silvered by the FOTS in the church. This was before she even had any of his blood. Remember when Sookie said to Eric…”There is love in you.”
I think Eric even offered his life in exchange for Sookie’s and Godric.
*I think this episode “TimeBomb” was the turning point for me when I switched from Bill to Eric. :)
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:12
Sookie has been attracted to Eric. AB said in an interview since Season 2 “Sookie tries to deny it but there is an attraction there.”
She even admitted this to Bill last season when they were in the car. You could tell in the E/S porch scenes from early on in the season. She even stated in the porch scenes how she saw two sides to him, and commented on his selfless side. While there was an attraction there for her, problem is that Eric never showed enough of that side for her to feel even more. Now that she is seeing another side to him and adding the fact that there has been an attraction for a while, you see it developing into more. If there had been nothing there at all previously then none of this would be happening.
In this episode when Sookie is on the couch talking to Eric, she tells him that she always knew there was decency in him even when he was being smug, she just knew it. So this proves that Sookie always knew there was more to him.
About hating Eric and the “cancer” line, how many romance movies do we see the heroine saying she hates the guy and they end up together. How many times have we seen this in books too and even other shows. Sookie wanted to hate him, but she couldn’t.
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:13
When I said E/S porch scenes from early on in the season, meant to say season 3.
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:42
I would have great difficulty to see decency in someone who tortured my friend in his dungeon. I guess Sookie’s mind doesn’t work like mine LOL
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 3:19
If it was another vampire, they would have killed Lafayette. Something even Bill did not deny when Eric said this in front of Sookie “other vampires would have done much worse and you know it”
Lafayette was dealing V and even he knew the consequences of this. Eddie was missing and somehow they found out Laffy was dealing V and connected him to this. So he was linked to a missing vampire. He is the sheriff, it was his job to investigate the disappearance of a vampire and a man connected to that who also was dealing V. Human law would’ve put Laffy in jail, vampires I think we can all agree are a bit more extreme.
Bill executed a vampire for doing something they all do, they drink from humans and it is not against vamp law. However, new law is if you get caught on film then yes you do get in trouble with the authority. Bill as King had to do what he had to do. Cruel yes but it’s his duty as a vampire in a position of power.
I love Laffy and wish it didn’t happen and also felt real bad for the vampire who was executed. Both did things that weren’t horrible but at the same time knew they were doing something that if caught, vampires would handle it in the way that they did.
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nikka Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 5:23
Who knows what vampire justice is? Eric tortured Lafayette for dealing V and to extract information regarding the disappearance of Eddy – a vampire under his retinue. Bill killed Sookie’s uncle for molesting her as a child. Eric took Bill to the magister for staking a vampire, Bill handed out his own justice to a vampire who fed on a human by having him staked.
Who is better for Sookie. Probably none of them. godric is right, they are creatures of death….but that’s the confict in this story and makes it exciting.
I’ve been a fan of the vampire genre even before they became popular. I’ve also been a fan of old romance novels where the hero is possessive and arrogant and the heroine denies her attraction to the hero until the very end.
Which is why I love the Eric and Sookie dynamic and happy that AE is just temporary. The idea of owning a human as “mine” isn’t just Eric’s, it’s a vampire thing and a way to keep other vampires from feeding off your human. personally I think Eric does not keep humans, they offer themselves to him as implied in season 1. Sookie is the only one that has caught his interest and our Viking Vampire is at a lost as how to go about it after hundreds of years of jaded existence (imagine how many horrific wars he has seen). Being Amnesia Eric resets his personality to what is core inside him, the childlike ways is just a side effect of his amnesia but we’re beginning to see how protective he is of who he loves, as well as his appreciation of beauty.
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Truebie1 Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 18:36
Very well said!
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Mettina Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 4:05
Please, remember that Bill “lied the whole time” because of the Queen. He lied to the Queen to keep Sookie safe, as now he is lying to Nan about Sookie. That’s so mean! You say “Oh, and he almost killed Sookie” like he really meant it. You say he shunned Tara – I guess he had a reason to do it, I think helping Tara would get them both into more trouble. Sookie didn’t drink Bill’s blood the first night they met, it was the next night, when she was beaten up by Rattrays.
I just don’t get it – why people see things only in black and white and do not even try to put themselves in Bill’s position?
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KC Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 11:40
When he “allowed” the Rattrays to beat her to the point of death? I don’t understand why that incident isn’t mentioned. I can understand why Sookie doesn’t want to talk about it, but we saw Bill indicate it was true, didn’t we?
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:56
Yeah, this is the thing, he met and talked with Sookie, she save his life and yet still he chose to have her beaten. To me that speaks to his character. Eric wanted his blood in her and look how he did it, yes she was tricked but she wasn’t beaten to a bloody pulp to get the same end result. It makes my skin crawl just thinking about him just standing there watching her being beaten.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 13:06
No it dosen’t and he was on a mission. Everything changed after that scene. Everything. I do think we will get more of a back story to this and i cannot wait.
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Lori Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 1:58
Everything didnt change because Bill never told Sookie the truth, he was a coward, even Eric told him ‘why don’t you tell Sookie the fucking truth, if you love her’. Bill had lots of opportunities to tell Sookie the truth, be open and honest with her, instead he continued with the lies and deception throughout their entire relationship, he even proposed to her without telling her the truth. That’s just plain wrong and he knows it now because of what he told Jessica.
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:43
Bill was his own worst enemy in that relationship, he screwed it up good and he knows it. I hope he has learned from his mistakes.
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KC Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:20
I hope he uses what he’s learned from his mistakes in his next relationship. I hope Bill’s ship sank with the Rattrayal reveal. That doesn’t mean that he and Sookie can’t eventually be friends, like in the books, but I don’t ever want to see them in a relationship again. They are like Alicide and Chrystal — Gas meet match.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:56
I don’t agree. They will get back together. Soulmates..remember?
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KC Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 11:21
“The books work” . . . remember?
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 16:15
To a point.
Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 13:13
I doubt he was standing there lori…..don’t jump to conclusions. You would defend Eric to the hilt if it were he. We are comparing one incident before Bill fell in love with her to a number of incidents where Eric has flat out used her.
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Only Way That Matters Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:08
Well to be fair, Eric wasn’t in love with her when he got her to suck out the bullet.
He wasn’t even “with” her.
I don’t get why people apply two different sets of logic when they’re comparing these two incidents. Fact – Bill was prepared to risk Sookie’s life to get his blood into her and form a connection with her. He saw an opportunity, he grabbed it. Fact – Eric wanted to achieve the same end result. Fact – Eric also saw an opportunity and grabbed it – but he didn’t risk her life to do it.
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Lori Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 1:53
Exactly this, in fact Eric made his way sexual lol so Eric
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Lori Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 1:51
He didn’t deny having her beaten, his silence spoke volumes, therefore he had to have been there waiting for the right moment to stop them beating her. She saved his life and yet he still did this to her, it speaks to his character. Eric wasn’t in love with her either and yet he got his blood into her without risking her life. To me it highlights the differences between these two vamps, they both tricked her but Bill chose a violent option, Eric chose a sexual one lol
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:20
Well if that’s the case and only thing that matters is what happens after you love the person, then Eric didn’t love her. Attracted, intrigued and starting to develop feelings, yes but not love.
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Mettina Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:56
The point I was trying to make is that it wasn’t the first night thay met. Eric (script) makes the same “mistake”. I wonder how could Eric know about this anyway?
As for the Rattrays, Sookie at that time was just another assignment for Bill and the story changed a bit after that. Sookie wouldn’t want to talk about it for sure, but I can see and understand why Bill wanted to conceal the truth about that night.
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KC Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 14:53
But, after Sookie saves his life, Bill allowed her to be beaten to the point of death to make sure: (1) she was indebted to him; or (2) to get his blood into her so she would be more easily influenced by him; or (3) both to further his mission, and never tells her. Then, he nearly killed her in the back of the van after they had already become lovers. I don’t think Bill is good for Sookie period. They are as toxic a couple as Debbie and Alcide. Eric may have pulled Sookie into a plot intended to save them all from Russell but didn’t hide from anyone (other than Russell) what he was doing and, at least so far, it did save them all.
Now, if Eric betrays Sookie, or drains her, or even bites her against her will *after they become lovers* he will be history in my eyes, just the way Bill is history.
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Mettina Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:20
Ok, I get understand your point. But still, it was his mission to get as close to Sookie as he could. I’m trying to see things through Bill’s eyes. What would you do in his position? You are sent by a queen to spy on a suspicious human, you try to get to her, whoops, you’re falling in love for the first time in a hundred years, you feel that if you make a mistake now it all will end, you will most probably end up dead, guilty of a treason, somebody else will take your place and will come after Sookie.
The van incident was terrible, but Bill did not do it because he wanted to. He couldn’t stop it, he was dying. So it’s not Bill’s fault, rather Tara and Alcide’s for letting Sook stay alone with a starved vampire. Would Bill Compton in his right mind would gladly drain Sookie?
I’m just saying that we should look at the big picture, not only judge.
Debbie and Alcide relationship is a completelty different story, Debbie is a psychopath, Bill is not. There is a reason why we were shown Bill’s history, his previous life, moment (reason) of his turning. Having that in mind, all he went through, I don’t think comparing his relationship with Sookie to Debbie/Alcide is right.
I don’t know about Sookie, but I wouldn’t want a guy who buys my house and along with that he declares me also “his”. Cheating Sookie into drinking his blood was not nice either. And I wonder why did Eric sent Mr Ruben to kidnap Bill. Couldn’t he just order Bill to come to him?
You said that if Eric betrays Sookie after they become lovers he will be history. But if/when they become lovers we’ll be sure that he cares about her deeply. So if there would be a betrayal from Eric’s side, I bet he would have a very good reason to do it. Like keeping Sookie safe, you never know.
Phew!
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Mettina Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:21
get/understand
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KC Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:27
Maybe Debbie just loves Alcide too much? That’s why she’s going to want to take out Sookie, not because her Cooter got killed, but because she thinks Sookie is a threat to her relationship with Alicide. Just like Bill thinks that anyone who knows Sookie is part-fae is a threat to his relationship. Bill’s not worried that Eric’s going to drain Sookie, he’s worried that Sookie’s going to fall in love with Eric, and he’s right. That’s why he’s trying to get rid of Eric.
Eric sent Ruben to find Bill since he didn’t know where he was, and bring him back to him. I think he did that to contain Bill from spilling the beans that the Queen was making Eric sell v. We later find out that’s exactly what Bill did when he told Russell. I don’t think Eric would betray Sookie ala Bill, but like I said, it if it happened, I’d take my life ring, throw it in the water and start swimming to another ship;)
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KC Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:29
Oh, and even if Bill regrets his betrayal, does that mean Sookie’s under some obligation to forgive him? I don’t think so. And, um, he hasn’t asked for forgiveness anyway.
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Crzy4Eric Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 10:07
What about the fact that Bill also had sex with someone else while in a relationship with Sookie? No one ever seems to mention this. Bill’s sins against Sookie have been great and although I do believe Bill loves her, so do the people in other abusive relationships. I’m tired of hearing all the reasons justifying Bill’s abuses. At a certain point, I don’t care why he did the things he did. It doesn’t change the fact that they happened to Sookie. Why should she forgive someone that has done these horrible things to her?
– He let the Ratts almost kill her
– He started a relationship with her to secure her for the Queen
– He took her viriginity under false pretenses
– Once his feelings had changed, he never told her the truth or warned her about the danger she was in
– He murdered Uncle Bartlett, making Sookie feel guilty and responsible for another’s death
– He had sex with Lorena while still with Sookie
– He told her in a cruel way
– He tried to kill Eric and Pam even though Sookie had just saved Eric’s life so he knew she wanted him alive
– He continued his lies by saying he was killing the Queen for Sookie when we now know he was spying on the Queen and planned on killing her and becoming King all along
I just can’t root for a couple that has had this sort of abuse, no matter what the reasons.
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I think the writers wanted to make the amnesiac Eric the complete opposite of the real Eric Northman. Acting like a baby makes him even more appealing in Sookie’s eyes. She was used to his arrogance, his manipulations and desire to dominate. She always saw him as a menace. Plus, all those people she’s been around for the past 3 seasons were all powerful, dangerous characters capable of extremities. This new Eric is not only vulnerable, sweet and polite but very much depends on her. I think after everything that happened to Sookie – her break-up with Bill, all her near-death experiences, her feelings are a mess. She is vulnerable, too. So she ignores both Tara’s and her gran’s advices against Eric. With Eric she feels comfortable in a way, kind of normal, even safe despite the fact that he is almost always with his fangs out around her. He’s different. Falling for him seems only natural.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 4:06
This new Eric also drained Claudine right before Sookie’s eyes ( he had no idea why Claudine was there or if she was a loved one or not, told Sook he wanted more and went for her neck and has dreams of biting her. He is a loose cannon and dangerous. He could bring a lot more trouble between humans and vamps that is already precarious at best and he may have brought the wrath of the Fae in the near future just as he has the witches. Amnesic or not he always is the root of trouble. The point being Sookie can dismiss what is directly in front of her and those presumably closest and dearest to her. Tara was right Sook has a pretty damn short memory when she chooses to.
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ssora Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 4:22
Not to mention that sweet and innocent Eric has already lied to Sookie. He came to her with fangs on after dreams with Godric. And when she asked – what the hell? He mumbled tearfully – mommy, I had a bad dream. Deliberately “forgetting” to mention how much he was enjoying that dream.
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Truebie1 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 6:33
I don’t think he enjoyed that dream; he looked scared as hell to me.
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danielik25 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 9:33
Yes, I agree with you. Eric said to Sookie, he is not a child. But he feels lost and alone without his memory and in real life he isn´t worse than other vampires. I like them together / I think it will be for only few episodes/ and I don´t compare their relationship with Bill-Sookie relatioship.And I must say, I don´t like Tara´s storyline this year
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Truebie1 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 10:43
I agree.
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:24
Claudine who told Sookie she must go back to fae and that it was not a request. This after she brought Sookie to Fae and was going to let her eat the fruit which would have trapped her there forever, all for harvesting humans. What would have happened if Eric was not there?
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Yamena Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 8:43
Eric has regressed into a boy’s mentality, and I find Sookie in a momma scenerio, and no matter how his fans spin it its an uncomfortable storyline which could have benn avoided if Eric just acts more like a grown male with amnesia.
When he gets his memory back, heck, mean city is coming – LOL
King Bill encounter with Pam was fun to watch. That hate on hate but need you now stuff is fantastic and well played by the two. I hope to see more scene with them.
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Am I the only one who doesn’t trust the “new” Eric? I haven’t read the books and I never will, but I just don’t like him and I don’t trust him. I do agree that they should have made him less of a baby, though. It makes him look so ridiculous to me.
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danielik25 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 9:44
AlwaysBill must say something like this. Bill is saint vmpire and Eric evil vampire for you forever. And that isn´t correct, because both have their light and dark sides.
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I’m still reading, but just in case, about that fly we saw in second season when Sam turned into one… I had the same impression, they needed to see the thing before turn into it. But now I just changed my mind.
I believe in that scene Sam saw the fly and realized he could turn into one to escape the jail, it was a clue to him, just it. He didn’t needed to see a fly, but he as some sort of way, didn’t think about that option until saw it.
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In defense of Amnesia Eric. The only thing I found a bit childish was when he cried about Godric. But then again, think if you are robbed of all your memories of 1000 years of being a vampire, told you are evil and have a dream of you hurting the person you love. There is nothing childish of the way he confronted Tara. I loved how he was so protective of Sookie having his arm extended to keep her back just in case she is in danger from Tara. I think this is Eric’s true nature without the thousand years of jaded living. We’ve seen glimpses of it with Godric and we know how he would give his life for Pam. And in an act of pure love, he decides to walk away knowing that he was capable of such cruelty. I think even if Sookie called him back and they have a moment, Eric will still be gripped by the realization of what he had done in the past. In the preview when Bill was about to stake him he says, ” I expect no mercy…”
I also don’t like how it was left that Eric sold Sookie out to Russell. He knew even if he didn’t give Sookie now and Russell killed him he would go after Sookie anyway. Who would protect Sookie? Bill and the AVL? The AVL was scared of Russell. they couldn’t touch him and let Eric take care of him (the cowards). Ha, and Eric inadvertently saves Bill and Sookie from Russell when he staked Talbot.
i have no sympathies for this claudine..she sold sookie out to mab…but I think this is not the real claudine…remember Alan ball said that faeries are born in litters, I have feeling this is a twin of claudine.
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Heather Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 7:12
I agree everything you said. this Amnesia Eric is a nice person but also a loose cannon
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:51
ITA, he is still Eric the 1000 yr old vampire, all his instincts are there, it’s just the pain he is in and that feeling of loss has made him vunerable and open and completely honest, like a child is, a child is not devious or manipulative etc…he’s honest, he says how he feels as he experiences it and that’s what Sookie wants, afterall it was dishonesty that hurt her so much with Bill.
I’m sorry not all fans are seeing what the writers are doing with them.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:15
“I also don’t like how it was left that Eric sold Sookie out to Russell. He knew even if he didn’t give Sookie now and Russell killed him he would go after Sookie anyway. Who would protect Sookie? Bill and the AVL? The AVL was scared of Russell. they couldn’t touch him and let Eric take care of him (the cowards). Ha,
Well Eric did leave Sookie (and Bill) at Russell’s mercy in Mississippi though Sookie ask for help and Bill ask for help for Sookie. Revenge was Eric’s only thought and concern. He killed poor Talbot in a cowardly way and flew home.
“Eric inadvertently saves Bill and Sookie from Russell when he staked Talbot”
The key word being inadvertently.
Bill on his own as usual without much of a chance of victory against an old vamp like KRE confronted him in an effort to save both Sookie and Jessica.
Later he helped almost drained Sook along with KRE in his last ditch effort to exact his revenge.
The AVL was scared of Russell? Hardly, it was Eric that was scared of Russell, the AVL, Nan and QSA that even Pam said she had never seen him panic before. The AVL were on the cusp of having the VRA passed when Eric stirred a hornets nest in his personal quest for vengeance. After questioning Eric via video they decreed they must disavow themselves for political reasons and had Nan order Eric to clean up his own mess or she would have his fangs and called him a whiny little bitch when he ask for help. He failed to clean it up before KRE went on tv and tanked vampire/human relations.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:20
Correction:
Later Eric helped almost drained Sook along with KRE in his last ditch effort to exact his revenge.
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nikka Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:59
Eric left Sookie and Bill in Mississippi because he needed to save Pam, his beloved child. That’s what I love about Eric, he knows his priorities as a vampire despite his human attachments. He knew that Russell wouldn’t let anyone harm Sookie at this point and since russell is with him, sookie is safe. He couldn’t care less about Bill.
Granted that Eric acted recklessly in his quest for vengeance, but it’s hard to blame him since he has had this in his heart for a 1000 years.
Uhm…Eric drained Sookie so he can kill russell to save sookie and everyone else. And bill was complicit in this. But if you think that Eric is still thinking of himself when he drained sookie and walked into the sun with Russell, then it’s pointless to say otherwise. We believe what we believe.
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nikka Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 16:07
of course Eric didn’t count on Bill draining Sookie either. oops.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 1:09
“We believe what we believe” probably the only point that we can agree on. lol
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Lori Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:03
I think Eric knew that killing Russell (albeit killing himself as well) killed two birds with one stone. Eric got his revenge and it would also save Sookie, he could die knowing those two things. It was a good plan, even Bill could see that.
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:37
You mean the plan that Bill was in on also? The plan that Bill said just saved Sookie’s life.
Eric was ready to go up against KRE, that is why he had a will made up. He accepted death and knew the likelihood of that happening if he were to go up against KRE. What would have happened to Sookie and Bill if he went up against KRE and Eric died but KRE lived. KRE would have continued to go after Sookie and Bill. Bill understood the logic in this too.
The plan was never to drain Sookie. A vampire drinking from a human does not mean they drain them. The plan was to only sip from her, which is why Bill made sure to point that out.
Eric’s plan was to sacrifice himself, even though many say Eric only cares about himself. His plan had been for him to receive the worst of it which was death.
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Well said, Lynn. I always appreciate your thoughts and their accompanying clips. My rambling thoughts are as follows.
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Lafayette has a new hair style. I must say it grew back quickly. Or did I miss something?
Tara tells Sookie she was in town what … 20 minutes … and was attacked by Eric Northman. In an earlier episode she said 2 hours.
Why was Eric sleeping during the night … referencing his bad dream. He should be up and about (at least in the house) and not tucked in his cubby.
And speaking of tucking, the mother-son, caregiver-patient relationship between Sookie and Eric is getting a wee bit wearing. He’s an overgrown, needy child. This is someone she’ll want to have sex with? Not seeing it myself.
It has hit the fan now that Pam inadvertently revealed what happened to Eric and where he is hiding. Losing your face can do that to a person or a vampire … make you blurt out secrets. I feel for Pam and understand she wants vengeance on Marnie. I’m loving the fact that Pam has a good story arc. And her interactions with Bill were terrific. The Bill-Eric confrontation should be explosive, to say the least.
Yea for Tara the truth teller. She reminded Sookie of all the really bad things Eric has done in the past, and now he is supposedly “different.” Forgiveness for Eric, but none for Bill. Okay, I’ll set the Bill part aside for now. But Sookie, you need to heed gran’s warning as well as Tara’s. Keep your wits about you, girl. You are going down a slippery slope.
The Mickens are gone. Good riddance to the characters. Kudos to the actors for their excellent performances. Best scene for me was Tommy shifting into a gator and scaring the s**t out of Andy.
Looks like the Bellefleur house exorcism didn’t do a bit of good. I enjoyed the reverend and his missus doing their thing. I wasn’t sure if we’d see Lettie Mae again. They got the corners with whatever it was they had on those sticks (I thought I heard Lettie say *sage*). Must have forgotten to exorcise the nightstand. A very loving scene between Terry and Arlene that will soon be interrupted.
Bill and Portia. Entertaining scene with them circling the desk. Bill stuck to his guns. I wondered why he didn’t just glamour her to have no romantic interest in him. Then I got to thinking that he probably wanted her out of his business life as well as his personal life. The screaming would do it. Hope he finds a new lawyer PDQ.
Sookie checks out the Emporium. I was hoping she’d heed gran’s warning. Not gonna’ happen, or so it seems. Good to see some Sookie-Marnie interaction.
Bill wisely interviewed Marnie initially over a closed circuit and then risked a face to face to glamour her and find out what she might know about Eric and what she did know about Pam. “Insanity is part of the job.” It’s not easy being king. Now how will the sheriffs proceed? The AVL says no drop of human blood is to be spilled. Yet Marnie-Antonia has power over the vamps. Luis’ story about Antonia’s calling forth vamps to their death confirms what a witch can do.
Jason’s dream … a menage a trois, with Hoyt getting in on the act. That was an entertaining surprise. Jess and Hoyt are already having difficulties. Jason’s ingesting Jessica’s blood will compound it.
Now Tommy knows that Sam has killed. That doesn’t bode well. I wish Sam hadn’t confessed that part of his past.
Will Jason really turn on the full moon? I’m hoping that having Jessica’s blood in his veins will somehow negate the effects of the panther bites.
I’m feeling kind of sorry for Marnie. She didn’t ask to be taken over by Antonia. I’m wondering if she’ll become completely possessed, totally lose her own persona, and have to die by the end of the season.
Jesus’s grandpa is one scary dude. Loved Lafayette’s comment about his still having lead in the pencil.
A good episode. My favorite scenes were Bill’s with the various women … Portia, Pam and Marnie; Tommy turning into the gator; Sookie and Tara; Sookie and Marnie; and the sheriffs meeting with Bill at the end of the episode.
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:41
I’m not sure why Bill fans are saying that Tara is the truth teller and how Sookie needs to listen to Tara. Last season Tara was saying all of this about Bill. She even told Sookie that she was not in love with Bill, she only thinks she is. She called Bill all sorts of names and compared Sookie to an abused woman who forgives the man. So does that mean that Tara was right about that too?
Now I’m not mad at her, because from her point of view without knowing all the details then yes I can see why she feels the way she does. She also acts as if Eric attacked her for no reason, I should say grabbed her since that is all he did. She tried to stake the man, I don’t think most vampires would take too kindly to that.
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I thought the scene where Eric came up out of his cubby (in and out of dream mode)to walk to Sookie’s bed was actually scary. The way the light reflected on his eyes and fangs was really eery–reminded me of being a little girl being scared of vampires after watching a vampire movie on the old tv movie series, Chiller, lol!
I thought this episode had the funniest scenes, dialogue, and one-liners to date.
I agree that this epi pulled a lot of the secondary, random storylines together to make some sense of things–maybe I was just too anxious before–tell myself patience and enjoy the ride!
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Beverlee Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 8:22
I agree with mabjazzy that the scene when Eric came of the the cubby was scary…maybe the first really scary scene in TB. The lighting was dramatic and, as mabjazzy said, chiller!!
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Truebie1 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 10:52
I’ll admit, even as an Eric fan, I felt the same. I thought to myself ‘no Eric dont do it’; but then I realized he looked more defensive, maybe checking that it was a dream and Godric really wasn’t in Sookie’s room.
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In my opinion, the writers of the series had ruined the story line of Eric and Sookie. They added unnecessary staff and didn’t open up Eric’s caracter that was described so briliant in the book.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 8:38
Not everyone thinks it was brilliant in the books either. I was actually counting on TB to make it better! and I’m a Bill fan…
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Yamena Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 8:46
Halleluzus!!!!!!!!
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 11:05
yep Lovely I concur, plus you know my opinion on the amnesia story from the books but this isn’t a book discussion so I’ll leave it there.
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Truebie1 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 10:57
I definitely feel that there needs to be more scenes between the two just getting to know each other. I’ll admit that if i never read the books and only watched TB, I would agree that it may feel rushed. They also need to stop wasting time on Tara, Adele, Terry (no reason they should have their own storylines)…
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I don’t get some of the commentaries above. Sookie has obviously been attracted to Eric since season 2, and I think even before he tricked her into drinking his blood. She has hated him at the same time in between and she has wished she didn’t want him, but the attraction has always been apparent. So to me this doesn’t feel too soon at all, and I then disagree with the article as well. This has been buidling up for a long time, and it was bound to happen, amnesia or not.
Actually I must say I like the Roth-videos so much because she has said she dosn’t want to take sides in the team Eric vs team Bill. It’s not as fun reading recaps/thoughts from someone who is obviously either is all about Bill or Eric and does nothing to keep it from showing (even though i prefer Eric myself).
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Liz67217 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 9:56
I agree…I like Roth and the campblood guys, because while they have their favorites, it doesn’t color the whole recap. It ISN’T fun to read something with such an obvious slant on it.
here is my take: Sookie began to see that there was more to Eric when Godric died. She began to see that there WERE people/things he loved and cared about. I recall even Bill saying that Eric was far from the worst he had ever seen. Eric just doesn’t make much effort to hide what he is: it’s pretty much what you see is what you get, to an extent.
I don’t exactly know where this story line is going to end up. I have read the books, but I don’t know if they are going in the same direction.
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Lynnpd Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 10:20
Wow, I’m really surprised.I purposely did my utmost to be honest and NOT put a slant on things. All I said was that I didn’t think that the writers built the reasons for Sookie to turn to Eric well. However, obviously you didn’t see that part. I never said that they shouldn’t be together. This was a review of the episode, NOT about whether Eric and Sookie should be together.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 13:08
Lynn, your review was excellent! and i agree with many if not all of your points. it was very fair.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:19
No worries Lynn. I did not see any inaccuracies in your review or bias.
Readers also need to be able to read without bias.
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:47
I agree with this, definately a slanted view.
I for one thought Bill was wrong to glamour Portia the way he did, it was as if he couldn’t be bothered with her, he made her act like some victim of a hypnotist the way he had her running out of there, what if she seems him in public? I’t humiliating and I think he took it too far, surprised it hasn’t been more.
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Couple of thoughts. . .
I believe Eric had every right to attack Marnie. Before he arrived she told the group she wanted to bring back a dead person because the question was asked, “where we going to get a dead body?” and that’s when Eric came through the door and said, “you all looking for a dead body?” I’m sure he heard them. After he told her they couldn’t meet anymore is when she told the group to join hands. She completely defied him and that’s when he attacked. He didn’t provoke it, she did. He went at Tara when she tried to stake him while he was biting Marnie. Of course he’s going to defend himself. And let’s not forget that good ole King Bill is the one who sent him there. Bill was sooo brave going in the cell with Marnie, but not so brave to go himself to the coven. I think he would have made a more serious impression on the witches if he went there himself with his army of guards instead of sending Eric by himself. I still believe Bill sent Eric there on purpose.
I thought the dream with Jessica, Jason, and Hoyt was hysterical. Can’t wait to see where this goes.
I am just sick of Tara and I think she is going to become some sort of vampire vigilante. She doesn’t even give anyone a chance to explain, she just acts like a child. She should just go back to New Orleans and stay there.
I’m so happy we have seen the last of the Mickens and I wish Tommy would go somewhere too. He is nothing but trouble and is going to make Sam’s life miserable.
I felt sorry for Pam because she didn’t mean to let Bill know about Eric. We all know where Bill is going and what he is going to find when he gets there. I hope if he confronts Sookie about lying to him that she lets him have it.
The jury is still out for me on whether they are playing Eric too child-like. I think him being that way helps Sookie see inside of him. Although she knows he is a badass vampire, when he asked her she said she didn’t think he was evil. I’m glad she can see that when so many commenters here can’t. Even though to her it’s only been about a week since Bill’s betrayal, I think she just needs to feel loved by someone and with Eric being there, and being vulnerable himself, they come together for love and comfort. I think it’s very understandable.
Back to Bill for a second. I’ve been wondering and would love to hear your thoughts on this. At the end of last season the whole thing was going down with Russell. The night they got rid of him is the same night that Bill tried to get rid of Eric and Pam. That is also the same night that Sookie through him out of her house. I believe it was that same night that he fought with Sophie-Ann and killed her. Where and when could Bill have set the whole thing up so that Nan arrived when he killed Sophie Ann and then made him king. I’m sure him being made king had to have some planning. There is a whole story/timeline missing here. ??
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Tlfin1 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 11:43
I have been waiting for a comment like this. I am kind of perplexed that people see eric as a child and Sookie as a Mom. Even with his amnesia, Eric makes it known that he is sexually attracted to Sookie. How many kids going around pinching their mom’s butt and asking for kisses?
As for the it’s too soon comments, it’s about the same amount of episodes before intimacy, so I don’t see the problems. In season one when she finally slept with Bill, I was happy that she’d experienced that. Sookie in the books made it clear why she slept with Eric. He desired her and had hungered for her, in a world that let her know it could do without her. I know they don’t show that often, bur that is conpelling. If I were in Sookie’s shoes, I would have given in earlier. I think Eric and Sookie are great, even if they are temporary.
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Mischa Denmark Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:23
Well said. Honestly, how many of us could resist Bill or Northman…..? I’d last about 5 minutes : )
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Tlfin1 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:29
Five minutes is a brave fight! Lol.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:08
“And let’s not forget that good ole King Bill is the one who sent him there. Bill was sooo brave going in the cell with Marnie, but not so brave to go himself to the coven. I think he would have made a more serious impression on the witches if he went there himself with his army of guards instead of sending Eric by himself. I still believe Bill sent Eric there on purpose”
That really just boils down to blaming Bill for Eric’s lack of finesse in handling the situation resulting in him being bewitched. Nan’s saying “You sent Eric Northman?” I took to mean you know he will he be less than diplomatic and muck it up. Nan did not even take the witches seriously other than another vampire/human fiasco in the making. Eric tried to bulldoze and frigten them instead of asking or glamouring like Bill did to get the information. In a word overkill and it backfired on him.
Bill is the King and kings delegate duties. Kings do not run errands. Just as Sheriff Northman wanted to delegate the job to his underling Pam. Eric is the sheriff of that area so it was his responsibility to handle an important issue and report back to his king. He was sent to investigate not harass or threaten the coven. Bill did warn Eric and he scoffed it off. Bill’s only mistake was believing Eric could handle the task.
Because his subordinate could not handle and compounded the problem and it has escalated Bill decides to take a hands on approach rather risk another of his subjects. And yes having learned even more of the power and danger involved it was very brave of Bill to approach Marnie.
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:42
‘you sent Eric Northman’ I thought she said that because Eric was the face the AVL put on camera, it would further damage their campaign if the vampire they put on camera had a public incident with witches. That or ‘he has friends in high places’ friends that seem to be higher than Bill.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 13:09
I think nan knows how he handles things so that is why she said it. he has a tendency to be all fear and fangs.
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:51
Yes and doesn’t Bill know this? If Nan realizes this then Bill who knows him even better should have. So I would think that Bill wanted the coven taken care of and if Eric had to get all fangy with them then so be it. Since Bill knows how Eric is then if he wanted it handled differently then he would have given him instructions and told him to handle it in a civilized manner.
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Liz67217 Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:48
Eric was sent to “deal with it”…I took that to mean break them up. I find it hard to believe that Bill thought Eric would do anything other than what he did. The truth is, any SANE person would’ve agreed, left, and never spoke of it again; had this coven done just that, nothing would’ve happened. Look at it in this view: the cops show up at your place, and tell you to stop doing what you are doing, leave, and never do it again. Only someone who wanted trouble would argue or worse, keep on doing it.
I don’t think Nan’s anger was over him sending Eric; I think it was that he sent anyone at all. She didn’t consider them worth attention, and certainly not worth losing someone over.
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Cherie Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 17:36
Bill is a King. He gives out the orders, and has his underlings take care of things. That’s what leaders do. In this case, he sent his oldest and most powerful Sheriff. If the shoe was on the other foot and Eric was King, he wouldn’t have gone himself. He would have sent his most powerful Sheriff to deal with the necromancers.
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Eric mentioned something about being around when all this was going on with the witches in the 1600′s. So did the new sheriff. Is this a case of revenge against Eric by Antonia? Not sure since it appears she could make him just walk into the light. but I wonder if he was involved is some way.
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:39
There is an inquistion story about Eric in the comics and I’m wondering if it will come into play here.
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I agee that Tara doesn’t understand that Eric did not sell Sookie out to Russell (he certainly was willing to sell out Bill to save Pam, but that’s ok, he and Bill have a rivalry from way back, even before Sookie), but this is how I see it:
First, he warned Sookie to not go looking for Bill in werewolf land, but he knew she wouldn’t listen and sent Alcide to look after her.
Secondly, he convinced Russell that there was something special about Sookie and he wanted to know because Queen SA certainly was interested in her. He didn’t know what was special, but he advised Russell to keep her around. Russell had withdrawn his promise to Lorena to have Bill kill Sookie and had not given anyone else permission to kill her (he did give permission to Deb to play with her, but showed up to get Sookie himself, not to kill her but to get her back), so Eric knew Sookie was safe and he was going to kill Russell. That didn’t turn out, but then Eric came up with the plan to kill Russell by tricking him into drinking Sookie’s blood and was willing to die in the sunlight to save Pam, Sookie and the vampire world from Russell. He was taking one for Team Vampire.
This and other things, like his reaction to Godric’s dying on the rooftop, are why Sookie says that she has seen goodness in Eric.
I’m trying to be unbiased here about Eric selling Sookie out to Russell, but I don’t think he did–unless I missed something that he did that would trump all of the above.
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 8:19
I agree he didn’t sell her out to Russell, it was all part of the plan to get rid of Russell, he even let Bill in it when he told him to punch him outside Fangtasia so they could talk for a moment.
I guess Tara doesn’t know all the details of what happened.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 8:42
This is true but in reality he put her in an extremely , extremely dangerous situation with a 3,000 year old vampire that not even Eric could handle. It was a huge gamble and i do feel he used her completely to get to Russel.
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Luciana Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 10:48
All vampires in this show does nothing but using Sookie on their purposes. Bill does that, Eric does that, Pam does that. It’s annoying the fact Sookie can’t stop it.
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 10:55
I think he thought hard on what to do with RE, and Pam prodded him to just give the girl to RE, “he’s going to get her anyway.” Eric was absolutely no way, so Eric thought hard about how he could take out RE and came up with the dying-in-the sun plan, and even Godric was prodding him NOT to kill RE in his conscience.
I think that Eric’s willingness to die in the sun to get rid of RE, paid Alcide to watch over her, and then later spent money to buy her house all might help his case in her going to bed with him, lol! However, I think she is still totally scared of Eric, even though he is innocent acting right now, and she’s hoping this might be the new Eric even when his memory returns. She still loves Bill, but is trying to move on–like she thinks Bill has moved on. The old Eric will be back and Sookie may move on to Alcide before Bill and Sookie get back together, if ever. I don’t think she will end up with Eric because I cannot see Sookie loving the old Eric. Sookie is a southern girl and Bill was a southern gentleman and seem to have more in common. Maybe the writers will introduce a hottie for Bill to rival Sookie in the meantime…Katarina guard hottie looks pretty good.
Still trying to be unbiased here.
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Lori Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:27
Exactly, yes it was wrong for Eric to take Sookie’s blood BUT it did save her from being taken by Russell, Eric was willing to die in the sun but she saved him by pulling him in and giving him her blood. She knows why he did it. Tara either doesn’t know this or is choosing to ignore it, bit like how she ommited to tell Sookie she had a stake at Eric’s back and that’s why he grabbed her in the first place.
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I don’t understand where everyone gets this idea that “Godric wasn’t evil?” I think it’s apparent by Eric’s reaction to Godric in Dallas that Godric hadn’t been all sweetness and light towards humans for that long. And the character we met on the battlefield that slaughtered Eric’s men and decscribed himself as “Death,” isn’t the character we saw on the rooftop in Dallas. People, including Sookie, think that because that’s the only Godric *they* saw, that that’s the way he was forever. That thinking goes completely against the idea that individuals can and do change. There’s no way Godric lived for 2,000 years, without having the ethos that vampires are superior and humans only fit to eat. Something that I’m sure Sookie, and Eric in his amenesiac state, would see as “excessively cruel.” What they don’t know is that humans have that ability as well if the circumstances require it.
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KC Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 11:17
ETA: AE and Sookie are both very naive about that I think.
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 11:43
I think Sookie was referring to how deeply hurt Eric was over Godric’s dying, seeing a side of Eric for the first time… that he was capable of loving someone so much. She later saw the same reaction in Pam. I don’t think she thought Godric was always a saint vampire, but certainly was influenced by his handling of things after the Dallas FOTS church ordeal, and that scene on the rooftop was spectacular. Bill had explained to Sookie why Jessica was dangerous and that he, as a young vampire, had killed in the beginning.
IMO, nothing to indicate she thought Godric was always good. Godric was overwhelmingly loved by all the other vampires even though he wasn’t a king–if I’m recalling correctly the Dallas FOTS storyline.
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KC Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:19
My point was that a lot of people, including Sookie I think, believe Godric was never “evil” or “excessively cruel.” I keep seeing fans saying that the Godric we saw in the dream was “out of character” because he was urging Eric to drain Sookie and in the dream Godric stated all humans were good for was as food. Sookie’s never seen that Godric, although he must have been “evil” at some point (draining humans and all) to have survived, and we viewers saw him that way in the flashback where Eric is turned. Sookie has a very black and white view of vampires and doesn’t quite see them as individuals mostly capable of both cruelty and kindness, just like humans IMO. Bill said he was the *only* vampire who could control himself and not drain Sookie for her blood but we’ve seen that he’s mistaken about that, at least regarding Eric before he loses his memory and amnesiac Eric. Either of them could have drained Sookie dry but didn’t, and didn’t seem to have too much trouble restraining themselves from doing so. JMHO.
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 12:25
I think that we are agreeing that Sookie doesn’t think that Godric was never a dangerous vampire, and she better than anyone, knows that vampires are evil, dangerous creatures.
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wiwa Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 23:51
I think Bill said “most other vampires are not like me”
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nikka Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 13:25
I do think Godric has been evil at some point. Remember at the rooftop when he said he’s at fault at how Eric was? Also his speech to Lorena about how she has not evolve even if she was a very old vampire.
At what point Godric changed I hope we’ll have a flashback of that.
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LMAO at the mother/child comments….there’s only one incest relationship on the show lol When I see Sookie and Eric together, I don’t see a mother/child I see a guy who is attracted to a beautiful girl who has a tenderness/compassion about her that he’s falling in love with and a girl who has been attracted to this guy for quite some time who is seeing how open and vunerable and honest he now is with her, of course they’re falling love and it’s beautiful :)
For me Sookie was attracted to Eric before the Amensia but could never be in a relationship with him because he couldn’t give her what she needed on an emotional level. Amensia Eric has now given her that missing piece if you like.
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I’m enjoying all the different viewpoints on here. This is what I think.
Eric: I don’t see him as but I do see him as simple and without guile. He also seems able to assess himself with honesty. I don’t see Godric as Eric’s conscience but more as an expression of his worst fears, that he would gobble up Sookie, whom he clearly adores.
Bill: He’s at the beginning of the most difficult journey of his soul.
Bill and Eric: Both are filled with a mixture of dark and light desires and although one may have been first shown to be all light and the other all dark in S1, things have become increasingly gray and will continue to be gray from here on out to the end of this series.
Sookie’s final romantic partner: I don’t think her final partner will be a vampire. There are several reasons I think this, based on things that various characters have said.
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We should all try and stop humanizing the vampires, we are projecting our human values on them, but they don’t think of feel like we do.
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Luciana Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 15:45
Perfect!
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Great smooth flowing episode and I agree it was wonderful and your “Random Thoughts are so fun to read Lynn.
Here are my mixed-up thoughts in no specific order except Bill, His Majesty, is last.
The justification for Sookie’s attraction to Eric I feel is that she is a pure and simple lusting FANGBANGER! That’s why she couldn’t keep her hands off Eric despite Tara and Gran’s warnings to keep away and she craves danger, it’s an addiction for her, she alluded to it while sunbathing with Tara last season. Am I judging Miss Sook to harshly? Or is she running with the Vamps( I know she can’t hear them and feels comfort in their midst, BUT sex or your life? Well a lot of sex please! haha) like it’s her pack as Holly says and Tara feels. Despite my Team Bill bile heaped on Sookie, *sorry* I’m enjoying teenage Eric and waiting for the big scene, they are going to draaaggg it out, to come ( I too almost feel Bill deserves someone better – did I just think that!!??) ……and I still think somehow the big E is faking the Inquisition cleaning lady did his brain for good, she probably only Windex him for an hour or so. I will apologize if I’m wrong.
I’m loving that Arlene is finally loving her baby and fighting for him, I hope he’s not evil! Great funny scenes.
Jason, Jessica, and Hoyt, so fun to watch, but where will it end and tears for whom?
Bill (still the only sane person in Bon Temps), Pam (keep it together), Portia (I will miss you), New Sheriffs, Marnie – it’s all wonderful, it’s all connecting…… what can I do to get King Bill to glamour me in a good way? LOL
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 3:03
If Eric is faking it then why in his own dream would he ask Godric “who are you?” I thought that proved he wasn’t faking it, since we saw his dream and he had no clue who Godric was.
Unless people think he is faking it in his dreams too.
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 6:51
I don’t think Eric is faking…Marnie’s spells seem to work pretty well…Pam has a horrible case of crotch rot at the moment, lol!
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callonmebill Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 7:23
I will apologize to the Viking brain in the end if I am wrong, and all points lead to I am wrong b/c real Eric would feel Pam’s distress and go to her, but I will wait and see.
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:07
He has forgotten Pam…he did not recognize her when she vamp sped into Sookie’s and defended Sookie by knocking her across the room, much to Sookie’s delight from the tiny smile on Sookie’s face. The spell must have wiped out the blood bond memory as well (I can’t believe I just typed that…I need a life, lol!)
You don’t need to apologize to Eric…he’s a vampire capable of anything.
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Reading through these comments….one thing for sure, we will never come to an agreement, and that’s ok with me.
Wonder if Quinn will ever show up?…Sookie certainly took up with him in Book 5 and 6, and Bill and Eric were just memories..
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 18:45
it is true. eric was actually very short lived for quite awhile….
Personally I think Alcide may replace Quinn….who knows though.
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Micaela Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 23:13
I agree that Alcide may replace Quinn. I think adding another love interest would be too much.
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Lori Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 2:09
IA another love interest would be too much, in the books at least Bill faded away but with the show he will be more of a presence so it would be worse, there would be 4 suitors getting quite alot of screentime combined.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 5:09
I surely do hope Quinn will be omitted entirely or meshed with Alcide.
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callonmebill Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 7:34
I’m looking forward to Quinn, but willkill4bill you are right 4 suitors for Sookie at once does see excessive. I seem to like some of the “out of favor” suitors, Bill and Quinn from the books.
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callonmebill Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 7:37
Sorry Micaela made the comment (I’m on an iPhone).
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I’m really enjoying reading all these different opinions and it would not be any fun if we all agreed!!
Here’s my thoughts on this episode…
- I loved the opening scene. I was so happy and relieved that the mickens were finally dead. The scene was very
grafic and exciting. I found myself cheering tommy on. Now, I may be the only one who thought this but, in the scene where Tommy and Sam were at the swap and Sam was telling tommy about him killing 2 people bc they stole from him, I reall thought Sam was going to kill Tommy. I was shocked when he didn’t.
-Eric/Sookie…. I just love these 2 together. I don’t see them as mother/son. Remember Sookie said she would help him deal with his amnesia. Aren’t all men babies when they are sick and look for their woman to nurture them?? Just saying!! Sookie has always felt something for Eric and has always said there is good in him, I’m sure she is enjoying seeing this side of him. She is enjoying seeing what she always knew was there. This is why she is opening up to him. With all that she has been through, I’m sure she is enjoying the feeling of being needed. They are looking at each other for comfort and love. It is natural for them to fall in love, however long it lasts. My only complant… I want more interactions between them. And also the music they played during their kiss wasn’t their ‘normal’ music.
-King Bill… He looks damn sexy in his suits ;-). I would have liked to see him with portia and the revelation of their family ties not revealed until much later in season. It would have been more dramatic. I don’t get how he told Pam that he would not want the true death for her if she killed the witch. The last we saw in S3 he tried to kill pam and Eric. I know a year has gone by, but I would like to see a flash back of their next interaction after that, how they learned of Bill becoming king, etc… I just feel there was so much fighting in S3 ending, I need to see how it resolved for it to make any sense.
- Tara… Please go back to NO and never return.
- Arlene And Terry need to stay at Merlottes and stop taking up time.
- I love Laffy and Jesus. I find their story potential exciting.
I think that’s about it for now…
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Tara doesn’t know all the facts about the things she was spouting off to Sookie about. and I have never thought that Sookie “hated” Eric.
Eric and Sookie or Bill and Sookie – love both sets of couples!!
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 13:22
Me, too.
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Aside from the ridiculously cheesy Sookie/Eric scenes ( i swear the more I seen them play out, the more I am convinced that it’s ridiculous on purpose), I really liked it. So much better than last week’s.
Bill was all sorts of in charge. Loved how he handled Pam (the beekeeper line will go down as a series favorite of mine), how he glamoured Marnie, and dealt with his sheriff’s. And poor Portia. She just won’t let go. Her running out of the house after Bill glamoured her was hilarious.
Oh Tara, how I love you for calling out Sookie on Eric’s past deeds, and how she also called her out on the honesty issue.
See Sookie, even Gran is telling you from the beyond that Eric is no good. Too bad, Sookie didn’t listen. Book Sookie more and more!
Lettie Mea was great for comedic effect. Her ” I was possessed, I know things”(paraphrasing) was great. Wonder if Tara knows she is a reverend’s wife now? Everything about Arlene and Terry’s scenes were good. Getting all dolled up for the exorcism! lol
Pam was another highlight. Not only did she have great one-liners, but I get her devotion to her maker. And she truly felt awful for ratting Eric out to Bill. She is really coming into her own this season.
I’m loving Marnie’s storyline with Antonia, and I’m thinking the witch storyline will play out much better than I thought.
So glad to see Tommy take care of his cray cray parents. They had it coming. Also nice to see Sam help him out. But, I fear that may hurt Sam in the long run.
Jesus’ story is starting to become interesting. I’ve really enjoyed his stuff, and now we are learning about his family more. This totally means he’ll die at some point. lol
I loved seeing Godric and Eric’s window to his past. Godric reminding him of what he truly is should send a message that Eric’s nice-guy routine is just a phase. It won’t last.
Oh hai Alcide! Remind me again, why you are around? I’m kind of baffled at why he doesn’t have a better storyline. Hate to say it, but he’s been completely wasted.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 20:17
Alcide needs more! He is being kept on the sidelines for a reason i would assume.
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Cherie Reply:
July 26th, 2011 at 20:24
I hope you are right. I want to like the character, as I love Joe’s enthusiasm for the role, but so far they haven’t given him much to do.
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Zito Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 3:08
When did Gran say that Eric was no good? All she said was to be careful and not give her heart because it is temporary. Yes, his amnesia is temporary. If Gran sees Sookie falling in love with a man while he has amnesia then I can’t blame her for saying that. Does not mean that her feelings will be gone once he regains his memories. Gran is just looking out for her and doesn’t want her to end up broken hearted after Eric regains his memories. If Gran thought Eric was bad she would have had a different warning, same as the warning she had about Marnie. Probably would have said, stay away from that man he is bad, he is no good, he is evil.
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cherie Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 5:26
I respectfully disagree. Gran is warning Sookie to not give her heart to a man who will turn out to be not good for Sookie. That’s how it came across to me.
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willkill4Bill Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 6:17
Ditto I heard Gran’s voice loud and clear and I am not telepathic. :)
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KC Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:49
That may be what you wanted to hear but that’s not what Gran actually said. Anyone have the actual quote? I thought it was “Don’t give your heart to him . . . the situation is temporary” but maybe I’m the one that’s wrong.
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Lovelylavendar Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:59
I agree cherie…It was very obvious.
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Crzy4Eric Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 13:18
How can it be obvious that she said Eric is no good when that is not what she actually said?!? Saying something is temporary is not the same as saying Eric is bad. I agree with the poster above who wrote that if Gran had intended for Sookie to stay away from Eric, she would have said that, just like she said to stay away from Marnie.
I think ANYONE would warn someone about falling in love with someone that has amnesia and to protect your heart (especially after it was just betrayed by someone else). I don’t understand the leap to, “Eric is all wrong for you, Sookie.”
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 6:55
I think Gran said not to give your heart to him, it is temporary; meaning you will not love him for long for whatever reason…don’t get your heart broken…she didn’t say not to have lots of sex with him.
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 7:02
ROFLMAO !!!
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Crzy4Eric Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 13:21
I think the worry is that she will still love him but once the temporary situation ends, he won’t accept the feelings he has for her and she’ll end up getting hurt.
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Lynn, you had 54 comments on your random thoughts for ep 4, as of this post, there are 96.
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Louisianagirl29 Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 5:17
Wow! 120 comments! I wonder how many comments you’ll have for the next episode when Sookie and Eric have sex for the first time!
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Shadaliza Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 5:22
I have the feeling that will be coitus interuptus.
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mabjazzy Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 6:50
ROTFLMAO!
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Louisianagirl29 Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 8:06
The first scene will be yes. The last scene will be good to go with no interruption!
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Wow, opinions are really heated, but fun to read how passionate fans are for their fav. “team”. I personally am loving this season, Bill has great stuff, Eric has a big story, Sookie is doing as Sookie usually does, Pam is great, & the witch story is good.
This epi. was a great one and I found myself smiling alot thru it. I loved hearing from gran, and seeing Sookie finally interact with Marnie. I always enjoy seeing Godric, whether it’s a dream or a memory.
I always seem to be harshing on Tara, but the girl annoyed me again. She just doesn’t seem to be a very good best-friend, she just admitted to a year of deceptions & lies herself, maybe she should go eat some late-night hoe-cakes & calm down. I know she was freaked out over Eric but she’s always yelling and running off. I think the writers are hinting towards something bad happening to her girlfriend & I wonder if Pam will seek revenge against Tara this way?
Jess, Jason & Hoyt were SO good, I love seeing Jason back to being Jason! The guys in Merlotte’s were also great. I really pitied Tommy, accidentally killing his mother was heart-breaking, even if it was deserved. We are all glad the dog-fighting story is done. A poster above listed being glad about an end to Joe Lee’s underpants :), I wondered about the poor gator that ate them.
Terry & Arlene are sweet together, and I’m glad they have sex with their clothes on. The reverend and Lettie Mae were funny, I love that Terry knows exactly that pot and sage don’t smell similar.
I like the softer Eric, it’s done to show an opposite extreme to his normal personna, but I can see where some think he’s too child-like. I think if your anti-Eric anyway, it’s not going to appeal to you.
King Bill was funny here, but I too am a bit confused over his not wanting an end to Pam. I would think he would still want her gone. I enjoyed his scenes though, and I think he looks better this year.
I always love reading all of your comments and The Random Thoughts, I’m just glad that we have True Blood around to disagree on.
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I polled some of my friends, male and female, who only watch the show, no books or blogs (totally objective), and asked who they thought had lied and treated Sookie the worse to date, Bill or Eric…they all thought several minutes and the majority said Bill. My friends are neither Team Bill or Team Eric and only watch the show b/c I watch it, and none are attracted to either Bill or Eric and would never watch a show like this, not their taste. (BTW, I don’t hate Eric or Bill; I am very attracted to Bill’s looks and demeanor in the first 3 seasons, and if Bill was this King Bill in S1, I probably would not have been so attracted to him).
I guess I’m saying that both Bill and Eric have done really bad things, and Bill has pulled ahead of Eric in my unbiased poll.
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Lots of “excellent” sex :-D And, Sookie knows she’s falling for him, doesn’t she? Marnie asks Sookie to think of a question, and Gran comes back with an answer about Eric. I think we’ve got some foreshadowing here, don’t you?
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Overall I really liked this episode. I just think there’s one part that can easily be misconstrued or the writers want to toy with us Lol.
Like most, I was ecstatic about the small return of gran …. although I’m not so sure Marnies message via gran was ‘true’. If gran didnt trust Marnie and she knew that she would bring harm, I hardly believe that she would have communicated to her …. I came to this conclusion because gran cut through Marnie just to tell Sookie she was a dangerous woman and to get away. I think Marnies ‘message’ from gran was made to confuse the audience. Half of us will say “Gran told sookie to stay away from eric” but on the same hand, Gran also cut through Marnie and said no such thing. All she told sookie to do was run from the witch. I think there may be more to Marnie than even she realizes … but I hardly think Gran would tell Sookie to shy away from love …. even if it might be the temporary kind. It just didn’t sound like gran.
Perhaps I’m biased because I actually ship Sookie and Eric. And ofcourse it sounds good for Bill shippers to say that it was a true warning from gran (no love lost. lol.) But I think AB made that part unclear for a reason — TO GET THE SHIPPER CAMPS RILED UP. No, I’m kidding, but I do think it was done in a way so that the audience would be unsure which side they believe … I can’t wait to see it all play out.
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As I’m reading the comments two things strike me in particular: a. Bill-fans don’t seem to be applying the same logic to interpret and forgive Bill’s and Eric’s actions (to me torturing Lafayette doesn’t seem worse than letting Sookie almost die to give her blood, if something the first example seems more understandable to me) and b. despite what some are saying, people seem to be forgetting that both Eric and Bill are vampires, not humans (they have their own ways, that may seem cruel and primitive to humans, but seeing them as the vampires they are they should not be jugded the way humans would be).
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There is a youtube video that is about 50 min long that covers S1 through S3 of Eric-Sookie-Bill’s relationship, almost all Eric, but I really enjoyed it…might not be for all depending on how strongly you feel for your favorite in the love triangle. It is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G8P9XGkhq4.
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Wow! 150 comments!! can’t wait for next weeks’s episode.
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Going back to the beginning when these men were turned. Bill was a loving husband and Father,a decent man fighting in an awful war trying to get home to his loved ones, then horribly turned against his will. He has been a vampire for less than 200 years and is still trying to regain his humanity.
Eric was a spoiled rich kid, boinking maidens in the barn sassing off to his father. He wanted to be turned, as he was dying and welcomed it. Also Godrick was more than a maker he was his lover. Eric has been around for over 1000 years and never seemed to be trying to regain his humanity, he likes being a vampire. Other than himself the only thing he ever loved was Godric, who I am sure was not a nice vampire but in the end got sick and tired of existing and wanted to recapture some humanity.
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paula Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 18:25
Right on!!!
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Micaela Reply:
July 27th, 2011 at 20:24
Don’t forget Pam, he definitely loves her!
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Ingrid Reply:
July 28th, 2011 at 9:01
When has anyone said that Eric and Godric were lovers in the past? Godric and Appius is not the same person…
I also don’t get where you want with your descriptions of how Eric and Bill were as humans. What has that got to do with anything? Are you trying to prove that Eric is an asshole and Bill is not? I just don’t see what happened hundreds of years ago has to do with how they are to day, if you are speaking of who is the most decent man for example. People/vampires can change.
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Godric and Eric were not lovers. That was never mentioned in the show. Eric had sex with his maker in the books, but that was a different maker. Can’t wait for next episode!
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It may not be stated in the book, it is my take that in 1000 years they wouldn’t have gone there. and Eric was too torn up about Godric’s death not to have loved him in more than one way. I still believe that Bill is the Heathcliff of this series.
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