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True Blood’s Eric and Nora coupling: incest or just hot vamp sex?

“I’ll miss you sister.”
“I’ll miss you too my brother.”

Not exactly the conversation you would expect during sex, but on True Blood anything is possible.

Incest is a reoccurring theme on HBO these days with Game of Thrones steady in first place with the Jamie/Cersei incestuous relationship. True Blood gave us Bill and Portia, his great-great-great-great-granddaughter, technically speaking it was incest since both parties were blood related, but how related are they after so many generations?

What about Eric and Nora? Should we call their sexual relationship incestuous? They are “brother” and “sister” because they were turned by the same vampire, not because they have the same biological parents. No incest there one would say. But you could also argue that they are blood related because they were both turned by Godric, they both drank his blood and adsorbed his essence during the night they spent with him under the ground.

 

According to EW the scene scores 4 out of 5 on their creepiness factor

The Couple: Eric Northman and Nora (True Blood)
The Players: Alexander Skarsgård and Lucy Griffiths
Creepiness factor: 4 out of 5

Eric greeted the Authority-infiltrating Nora with a deep-throat kiss before introducing her to Bill Compton (Stephen Moyer) as his sister. Technically, they share a sire instead of a bloodline, but that didn’t make Eric’s proclamation, ”We fight like siblings and f— like champions” any less whaaaaaat??!!-inducing. —Lanford Beard

41 comments
Sheri Lovett Mehew
Sheri Lovett Mehew

Umm... well here is the thing people, we are talking about a TV show with Vampires, Werewolves, shape shifters, werepanthers,and Fairies.. is a little incest REALLY a stretch?

d-hall
d-hall

the way i see it,they are pretty much the offsprings of godric.he made them vampires,they share his blood,& they consider each other siblings.so technically,that would be incest.same can be said for bill & lorena,but atleast they never referred to each other as reletives.to me,it's incest & them being vampires doesn't change that.whether their scene was hot or not can be debated i guess,but personally i think anyone who isn't in any way disturbed by this should be looked at by psychiatrist....just sayin!

rowan
rowan

I would just like to add that I agree HBO is leading the incest parade, but not necessarily with GOT in front with the most ick factor-I would give THAT prize-really icky incest-to Boardwalk Empire. Yes folks, the incest trend has really caught on here on this network! BE featured mother-son incest, and while brother-sister is pretty icky, parent on child is doubly bad, and that's why I think BE wins the incest prize out of all HBO's dramas. Just my two cents, and I think TB is just trying to coast off the controversy of the other HBO shows by having fake incest between "sibling" vamps.

Yukon via Facebook
Yukon via Facebook

Remember Bill and his maker? Lorenna was it? They were lovers for decades...following this thread that would have been more incestuous (sp??)

Rina
Rina

They are only brother and sister symbolically, not biologically. They weren't born to the same parent. They didn't grow up together. They come from different time periods. The only thing they have in common is that Godric turned each of them into vampire. He gave them a blood transfusion; he didn't change their core DNA. Vampires are connected thru magic not biology. There is no such thing as vampire incest. Get over it. Also Eric and Nora were hot...if you like porn. They can't compare to Eric and Sookie love scenes. Eric and Sookie were lovers. Eric and Nora are just fuck-buddies.

Emie
Emie

Bill + Portia = INCEST (They actually do share DNA) Eric + Nora = HOT, HOT, HOT!!!!

Shel
Shel

I think if they hadn't been calling eachother "Brother" and "Sister" during the act, it wouldn't have been such a big deal... which is probably why AB & Co wrote it that way... shock factor!! But truly, I think they are vampires, so it doesn't really matter, I know it didn't really give me a second thought when it happened. Plus, like Portia pointed out... the taboo of incest is because of the offspring (and of course personal values, hence Bill being very put off) obviously vampires can't have offspring (at least not in this universe, thank goodness :P )

Meridian
Meridian

Eric with his pants down? Yum. Case closed.

Lynn via Facebook
Lynn via Facebook

Yup, not incest. Also, since incest is wrong technically because of the concern over the children, since vampires cannot have children it's moot.

AM
AM

From reading lots of sites about this 'brother/sister' incident, it seems to me that most of the people who do not like this Eric/Nora relationship and the 'sibling' issue are the ones who want Eric and Sookie back together. They are upset that Eric, who supposedly has loved Sookie for so long, is banging another female. It would not matter who that female was, IMO. After 4 seasons, why is anyone surprised or shocked by vampire relations of any kind? They are NOT humans, they have a different way of looking at life and love and sex and violence, etc. But there is no denying that Eric/Nora generated so much sexual chemistry that it reminded many of us of how awful the Eric/Sookie 'love affair' turned out. Boring sex scenes and sometimes creepy after-sex talks in the bedroom.

Oopsie via Facebook
Oopsie via Facebook

They are not related, since when did a maker not have sex with a person they turned or 2 vampires not have sex from the same clan. Geez hasn't anyone read any other vampire stories(I'm not talking Twilight, that doesn't really count as a vampire tale lol). That's the lure of the vampire, mixing of fluids, since Bram Stoker wrote Dracula and put underlining sexuality in his novel in Victorian times. It's just HBO/True Blood trying to get your panties in a bunch for ratings!

callonmebill
callonmebill

It's hot vamp sex to me and the term "brother and sister" is only used I presume to make their relationship sound more accepting to humans but they are not human nor brother and sister. Also brother and sister is one culturally correct way to describe their relationship in human terms.

Rowena
Rowena

I did not think in terms of incest. This is the vampire world we're talking about. The rules and relationships differ from what we experience in our human lives. At least that's my take on it.

DiB
DiB

Lots of focus on Eric again being the controversial character. What about Bill's relationship with Lorena? Sex with his 'mother'.

Renee via Facebook
Renee via Facebook

But maybe I'm getting my Vamp premise mixed up with one of the older tales. LOL Either way it does seem to me Eric and Nora either are not related or ALL Vamps are related.

Renee via Facebook
Renee via Facebook

Anyway.. My opinion is it isn't like they have the same parentage. They aren't even technically human. LoL

Renee via Facebook
Renee via Facebook

And IF they have DNA after turning and they completely drain them wouldn't the new vamp essentially just Be a clone of the original which is mind boggling in itself. I thought the underlying premise was the blood is "sacred" essentially because of abnormality like virus. Which would actually negate the blood as the link. Either way would all this not mean ALL Vamps are related??

Renee via Facebook
Renee via Facebook

But they've had so many other infusions of blood it's incalculable.

Renee via Facebook
Renee via Facebook

Plus if the blood sharing "relates" two people all of them are committing incest all the time including Bill/Lorena I'd even venture as far as Sookie and Bill and her and Eric. What about Jessica and Jason? LMAO Crazy logic.

via Facebook
via Facebook

Renee Smith Goldman, for the sake of argument. These are not random people drinking blood, they were drained from their blood and that was replaced with the blood of their maker. His blood and his DNA... if vampires have DNA that is.

Renee via Facebook
Renee via Facebook

They do not nor did they ever share DNA. I could theoretically drink gallons of some random person's blood would that make me related? No. LOL Just hot vamp sex between two vamps with a long long history together. Big whoop. LoL

Lise via Facebook
Lise via Facebook

En fait ils ne sont pas vraiment frère et soeur, je crois qu'ils ont juste le même créateur ;)

callonmebill
callonmebill

Yes the BE incest was so awfull I blocked it out and forgot about it too until you reminded me. TB's Eric/Nora attempt at incest is just that an attempt IMO; they are vampires not related.

Shadaliza
Shadaliza

OH right I forgot about Boardwalk Empire! That one tops the list.

lovelylavendar
lovelylavendar

it will be interesting to see Eric and Pam's background.

d-hall
d-hall

no such thing as vampire incest? says who? these are fictional beings,so who are we to say that vampire incest is no such thing? they share blood from the same maker,basically the offsprings of godric.technically,that makes what they are doing incest.u might try to overlook that for whatever reason,but it doesn't negate that it's technically & logically incest.even if that wasn't the case,them reffering to each other as brother & sister doesn't make it any less creepy & disturbing. as far as how "hot" eric & nora's scene was,it's debatable.i've seen much hotter,but that's me.

lovelylavendar
lovelylavendar

Bill did bot know Portia was a relation. Ended it promptly when he found out.

d-hall
d-hall

technically,a vampire's progeny is it's offspring(atleast in this universe).making someone a vampire is their way of procreating.i agree that,if eric & nora didn't call each other "brother" & "sister" it probably wouldn't be as creepy or shocking.

d-hall
d-hall

i never cared for eric & sookie being together,but i still find the eric/nora thing creepy & incestuous.the fact that they are vampires doesn't make it any less disturbing(atleast not to me).u say they are vampires & they have a different way of looking at life than humans,but it can't be too different if they consider themselves reletives just like human siblings.

Shadaliza
Shadaliza

they are saying it to each other though, no humans around to hear them.

Rowena
Rowena

Hot vampire sex ... yes, indeed!

Shadaliza
Shadaliza

I mentioned Bill and Portia, but since this is a post about Eric and Nora it was not the case to name all the possible inappropriate relationships of the past. With Bill and Portia the situation was clear. The situation between vamps not so much and that's the topic with Eric and Nora as example because they call each other brother and sister. Bill and Lorena never called each other mother and son. If one was to think that Eric and Nora is incest than also Bill and Lorena should be marked as such.

d-hall
d-hall

the problem with ur argument is that when jason & sookie consumed vampire blood,they weren't turned.when u are turned u pretty much are the offspring of the maker.bill & lorena u can consider incest,but much like being turned into a vampire i don't think it was something bill wanted.it's not exactly something he chose but instead felt obliged to b/c of his maker,who made him so she could have a mate in the first place.besides,unlike eric & nora,bill & lorena never thought of each other as family.

d-hall
d-hall

yes but u would just be a human drinking blood.that's not the case with vampires since their blood is nearly drained when they are made & replaced with the blood of their maker through consumption.so since godric's blood runs through both their veins,that does technically make it incest.even if that wasn't the case,it doesn't make it any less creepy that they refer to each other as brother & sister even when they make out or have sex.

rowan
rowan

Yeah, I will never forget watching that "train wreck"-I so didn't want to watch or know that was what was happening, but couldn't look away, either. That episode of BE followed by the finale the next week is some of the most devastating tv I've ever seen. Epic storytelling, really, but also really icky and taboo. HBO loves to showcase the taboo, TB being the best example of that!

Emie
Emie

But still incest. Which is why EW rated that coupling a 5 out of 5 on the creepiness scale.

d-hall
d-hall

both pairings share blood,so i see no real difference.